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Nobel Peace laureates blast tech giants and warn against rising authoritarianism

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Re: Nobel Peace laureates blast tech giants and warn against rising authoritarianism

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Post by sutuplesu »

perl4ever wrote: post #135
pessimizer wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't care if someone was a felon or you think they're not informed enough (who decided that?). I don't even care if somebody is currently in prison; I think every prison needs a polling place and facilities for on-site journalists/reporters who are covering what is going on inside. If your elections could be significantly moved by the votes of prisoners, you live in a failed state.

I have seen it claimed that in the US, elections are significantly moved by the votes of prisoners, in the sense that, while prisoners may not vote, they are counted as inhabitants of the county they are imprisoned in, so they increase representation of those who can vote nearby. Locations of prisons tend to be rural and have very different demographics from the places where prisoners would otherwise be living. Decid…

I mean you can't have it both ways. If a person is counted for apportionment in a particular place, that is the place they're "represented" and it must be the place their vote counts.

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Post by FooBarBizBazz »

voz_ wrote: post #60

Nobel Peace prizes? The one that Obama got for drone striking Pakistani kids? Or the one that Arafat got for bombing Israeli kids? Oh no, wait, the one that Kissinger got for bombing Vietnamese kids, must be that one, right?

Maybe it was the one Aung San Suu Kyi got before all that unpleasantness with the Rohingya.

Re: Nobel Peace laureates blast tech giants and warn against rising authoritarianism

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Post by deadbunny »

pessimizer wrote: post #96
cletus wrote: post #28

> How can you have election integrity if you don't have integrity of facts? This one is easy. There is no integrity of facts. No matter what standard you use you will have cases where reasonable people disagree. Historians argue about interpretation of facts all the time. There is no universal objective truth. You can argue that you don't need absolute integrity and just clamp down on the fringe stuff but that just s…

> 3. Make appearing at a polling place mandatory. This one is controversial. This is the system Australia has. You don't have to vote. You simply need to show up and get your name crossed off. "It is not the case, as some people have claimed, that it is only compulsory to attend the polling place and have your name marked off, and this has been upheld by a number of legal decisions: "High Court 1926 – Judd v McKeon (…

Can you not spoil ballots in Australia? In the UK at least spoiled ballots are counted (and announced) separately with no vote for any candidate.

Re: Nobel Peace laureates blast tech giants and warn against rising authoritarianism

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Post by azth »

yesenadam wrote: post #148
whitepaint wrote: post #6

Aren't governments (especially Germany and Australia for what they are doing at the moment) way more scarier than big tech? I am not scared of Google or Facebook at all. I am, however, scared of governments. Especially seeing how the pandemic was handled and how little resistance the handling got from the citizens.

So uh, why do you put Australia in your two-especially-scary-governments-in-the-world list? That seems extremely odd to me. Sydney here. I've seen oblique mentions like this a couple of times on here recently and asked about it, as I've no idea what would inspire such a comment, but no-one answered until now. Well, for one thing, we don't have nuclear weapons pointed at anyone...

The narrative is that the Australian government is enforcing authoritarian lockdowns and mandates on its population.

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Post by 7189126744 »

chroem- wrote: post #80
philjohn wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn't answer the question ... what are some examples of posts, or viewpoints that are, according to you, verboten? And didn't the GOP helmed investigation find that there was a concerted disinformation campaign waged by Russia, as well as numerous links between people in the Trump campaign and Russian operatives? Edit: and there are plenty of people on one side of the spectrum claiming that Biden is "in bed with…

You're attempting to change the subject and I'm not going to take the bait. Mass censorship is far bigger than any one political issue. As per your second paragraph, no, that is false. They made a small ad buy to sow bipartisan political division. Please stop promoting misinformation.

im just commenting to say youre right and the guy advocating censorship is wrong and it’s very disturbing to see you downvoted

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Post by 7189126744 »

krapp wrote: post #47
chroem- wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Systemic lopsided moderation (i.e. censorship) of one political viewpoint is absolutely denying people the right to participate in the democratic process. Just because we disagree with their viewpoint does not make censorship justified, nor does it take away from the fact that it is currently happening.

>Systemic lopsided moderation (i.e. censorship) of one political viewpoint is absolutely denying people the right to participate in the democratic process. I still see plenty of content from various political viewpoints, far left to far right, on every forum and social media platform I visit. This "systemic lopsided moderation of one political viewpoint" you're referring to doesn't really exist apart from right-wing…

“This "systemic lopsided moderation of one political viewpoint" you're referring to doesn't really exist apart from right-wing propaganda.”

if what youre saying were true, then uncensored forums would look like twitter. but obviously they look like the exact opposite. uncensored forums are full of right wing shit because it’s not allowed on twitter. obviously

Re: Nobel Peace laureates blast tech giants and warn against rising authoritarianism

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

hugi wrote: post #61
rubicon33 wrote: post #46

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who gets to decide what is "hateful shit" ?

Content moderators. At the very least. I'm all for free speech, but what's happening today on the Internet is not free speech in any way or form. I'm pretty certain most of what's written on popular online forums today, such as political/news subreddits is propaganda or troll warfare.

I think so too. I don't know how people got it in their heads that they have a right to say and do whatever they want on private platforms. I think the freakout is coming from the trollers/propagandists themselves.

Censorship is if you try to print your own newsletter and the FBI comes and destroys it.

Re: Nobel Peace laureates blast tech giants and warn against rising authoritarianism

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Post by smt88 »

throwawaylinux wrote: post #86
smt88 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A better interpretation would be that Silicon Valley should stop algorithmically promoting anti-democratic, pro-authoritarian content.

What's anti-democratic, pro-authoritarian content? Would questioning the validity of an election be an example of it?

Questioning the validity of an election would not be an example.

Saying that all elections are rigged unless my guy wins, threatening election workers, etc. -- that is authoritarian.

Re: Nobel Peace laureates blast tech giants and warn against rising authoritarianism

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Post by seneca »

vanusa wrote: post #126
karl11 wrote: post #3

Just to make sure I understand this — the argument is that in order to combat authoritarianism, Silicon Valley companies should censor more content?

Silicon Valley companies should censor more content? No - that's not what they're saying. If you want to, go read the respective acceptance speeches, in their original form. Actually the only relevant one (for this thread) is Maria Ressa's speech; Dmitry Muratov's speech didn't mention technology or the internet at all, despite what may have been implied in the NPR article. As to Ressa's speach -- it's quite clear sh…

Indeed. I think the actual entity to be scorned here is NPR, not the laureates. They seem to be twisting the meaning of the speech to promote some other agenda, and in one case outright fabricating the connection.

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Post by throwoutway »

seneca wrote: post #169
vanusa wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Silicon Valley companies should censor more content? No - that's not what they're saying. If you want to, go read the respective acceptance speeches, in their original form. Actually the only relevant one (for this thread) is Maria Ressa's speech; Dmitry Muratov's speech didn't mention technology or the internet at all, despite what may have been implied in the NPR article. As to Ressa's speach -- it's quite clear sh…

Indeed. I think the actual entity to be scorned here is NPR, not the laureates. They seem to be twisting the meaning of the speech to promote some other agenda, and in one case outright fabricating the connection.

Is there a way to report this to NPR? Perhaps someone in charge of of journalism integrity
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