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Nobel Peace laureates blast tech giants and warn against rising authoritarianism

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Private platforms can choose not to amplify hateful shit.

Define `hateful` or `harmful`. And would your definition reflect Instagram's definition, as seen in the following example? https://twitter.com/GaiaRiot10/status/1468787960216797190

Instagram can do whatever it wants.

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You can stop using Google, Facebook, or Apple and not be a customer. You do not get this choice with your government, regardless of the electoral process.

Is that actually true? Don't those companies (maybe not Apple) maintain "shadow profiles" to track non-users? https://reclaimthenet.org/google-is-building-shadow-profiles... https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/facebook-shadow-profiles/

A tracking pixel on a website doesn't make me that pixels customer, anymore than being photographed by a photographer on the street makes me their customer.

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Systemic lopsided moderation (i.e. censorship) of one political viewpoint is absolutely denying people the right to participate in the democratic process. Just because we disagree with their viewpoint does not make censorship justified, nor does it take away from the fact that it is currently happening.

>Systemic lopsided moderation (i.e. censorship) of one political viewpoint is absolutely denying people the right to participate in the democratic process. I still see plenty of content from various political viewpoints, far left to far right, on every forum and social media platform I visit. This "systemic lopsided moderation of one political viewpoint" you're referring to doesn't really exist apart from right-wing…

You are quite naive or selectively blind.

Someone just posted this in another comment thread: https://twitter.com/GaiaRiot10/status/1468787960216797190

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post #93

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The article is factually incorrect. For instance, the Russian journalist did not mention Silicon Valley companies nor did he intend to mean that social networks are promoting authoritarianism and waging war. Instead, he referred multiple times to the mainstream media in Russia that is tightly controlled by the state and is acting as a propaganda device that serves short-term goals of the ruling elite, promoting war i…

Seems like the title is based on Ressa’s quote: "Silicon Valley's sins came home to roost in the United States on January 6 with mob violence on Capitol Hill," she said. "What happens on social media doesn't stay on social media."

Look at the title. It says "laureatS". But even Ressa's quote is tangential to what NPR is saying in its fake news piece.

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#105
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Correct. I am absolutely done with this level of doublespeak.

The article is factually incorrect. For instance, the Russian journalist did not mention Silicon Valley companies nor did he intend to mean that social networks are promoting authoritarianism and waging war. Instead, he referred multiple times to the mainstream media in Russia that is tightly controlled by the state and is acting as a propaganda device that serves short-term goals of the ruling elite, promoting war i…

npr takes every story as pretext to present opinion and dogma, and avoids stories that impede that. they've always been biased, but at least 8-10 years ago, they veered directly into outrage and propaganda, probably because they'd have lost donor funding without it. that is, their real donors, the big corps and foundations, not the little pledge drive donors. pledge drives are for collecting demographic data to attract deeper-pocketed advertisers.

it's critical to the survival of the traditional news businesses that social media remains under attack, otherwise the grip that outlets like npr has on the collective zeitgeist will weaken into irrelevance. that's what they're fighting for, not freedom of speech or journalistic integrity. it's for relevance, which translates into money and power.

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> How can you have election integrity if you don't have integrity of facts? This one is easy. There is no integrity of facts. No matter what standard you use you will have cases where reasonable people disagree. Historians argue about interpretation of facts all the time. There is no universal objective truth. You can argue that you don't need absolute integrity and just clamp down on the fringe stuff but that just s…

> Make appearing at a polling place mandatory. This one is controversial. This is the system Australia has. You don't have to vote. You simply need to show up and get your name crossed off. That's it

I'd agree to that if we add a "No Acceptable Candidate" option, and if it gets the majority of the vote the parties are forced to present new candidates and try again.

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Just to make sure I understand this — the argument is that in order to combat authoritarianism, Silicon Valley companies should censor more content?

Private platforms can choose not to amplify hateful shit.

As in stop pouring gasoline on pathological behavior (attention hijacking, emotional triggering, propaganda, etc.) through dark patterns/algorithms? Or censor everyone who has heterodox opinions?

You should make a distinction here, because I think most people assume you mean censorship.

Re: Nobel Peace laureates blast tech giants and warn against rising authoritarianism

#108
post #3

Just to make sure I understand this — the argument is that in order to combat authoritarianism, Silicon Valley companies should censor more content?

This is known as the paradox of tolerance and was figured out right after WW2 by Karl Popper, an Austrian philosopher who witnessed the rise of the Nazis.

Authoritarians use the framework of a free society to rise to power until they are strong enough to topple it. A free society must be able to defend itself against that approach, even if it might seem contrary to its own values.

Here's the way he formulated it:

> Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.

> In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal.

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Re: Nobel Peace laureates blast tech giants and warn against rising authoritarianism

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post #3

Just to make sure I understand this — the argument is that in order to combat authoritarianism, Silicon Valley companies should censor more content?

Refraining from wildly amplifying is not censorship

It is censorship by definition. The question here is if this form of censorship is currently permitted or not permitted by law, and if it should or should not be permitted by law.

Re: Nobel Peace laureates blast tech giants and warn against rising authoritarianism

#110
post #3

Just to make sure I understand this — the argument is that in order to combat authoritarianism, Silicon Valley companies should censor more content?

Honestly reading the title, I assumed the article would argue the exact opposite since that's already one of the most authoritarian things Twitter et al. is doing right now.
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