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Bitcoin Failed in El Salvador. The President Says the Answer Is More Bitcoin

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Re: Bitcoin Failed in El Salvador. The President Says the Answer Is More Bitcoin

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember being shocked that my uncle was doing NFT trading and buying and selling digital land in the metaverse over Thanksgiving (though not his primary job). I thought I was an early adopter for having 1.4 ETH.

Your uncle is gambling, just like every day-trader on the traditional stock market before crypto was ever invented.

At this point the equities market is also gambling based on what the fed decides to do next.

Re: Bitcoin Failed in El Salvador. The President Says the Answer Is More Bitcoin

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post #17

Didn't El Salvador just announce that bitcoin is legal tender a few months ago? Isn't it a bit soon to declare that it failed? Especially considering the state of El Salvador's fiat.

The author is also the author of the book "Attack of the 50 Foot Blockchain". It seems more like a hit piece than a news article.

Sure read like a hit piece to me. The bigger issue seems to be the IMF loan sharks.

Re: Bitcoin Failed in El Salvador. The President Says the Answer Is More Bitcoin

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Why does he insist on Bitcoin? Their biggest use cases are 1. incoming USD payments from relatives in the States and 2. Retail USD transactions. BTC is really bad for both of these. Why not stablecoins on some cheaper chain?

Because it’s at least partially, if not mostly, a publicity play and “bitcoin” is the word most regular people know when it comes to crypto stuff.

Re: Bitcoin Failed in El Salvador. The President Says the Answer Is More Bitcoin

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I'm so glad cryptocurrency finally has a real world use case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wag_the_Dog

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayib_Bukele

I applaud Pres Bukele's ingenuity. Lacking the resources for any military adventures, or illicit cash (narco, petro) to fund terrorism, or a readily available ethnic minority to persecute (pogroms), Bukele cleverly seized and weaponized some fancy jargon.

Huh. I wonder if Bukele's next gig will be on Sand Hill Road. He's gotta do something with his pilfered wealth. There are worse options.

Re: Bitcoin Failed in El Salvador. The President Says the Answer Is More Bitcoin

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

9% adoption rate in 2 months for something optional is amazing. It takes time for people to learn to use it, as it's very different from the traditional banking system.

it doesn't mean 9% adoption though. I bet a large part of these 9% are still using $, maybe even exclusively.

Sure, and it's fine. The optionality of getting rid of the USD which totally failed and destroyed latin american countries is in itself a great thing. IMF was an asshole with El Salvador during the pandemic, and it was not the first time.

Re: Bitcoin Failed in El Salvador. The President Says the Answer Is More Bitcoin

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The El Salvadorian experiment is most likely on the receiving end of the same strategy used by the West to counter Chile’s Cybersyn project.

TLDR: Chile attempts to escape economic slavery from the US, is subjected to manufactured dissent and ultimately overthrown by a military coup that is funded by and supports the West. 100,000 die from Pinochet’s subsequent war crimes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Cybersyn

Re: Bitcoin Failed in El Salvador. The President Says the Answer Is More Bitcoin

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Matt Levine had a good take on it: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-11-22/be-car... (TL;DR: it's a good marketing play targeting people who want this to be a thing, it's actually better to buy "normal" El Salvador bonds and invest in Bitcoin yourself: the normal bonds give better interest and you'd get the full gains from the bitcoin profit, not just a share)

How can institutions that have obligations for performance but limitations in what they can buy get exposure to Butcoin? For normal people this bond doesn't make sense (except for the residence that they get), but regulated institutions may want a piece of it. We'll see.

I think if you're a regulated institution that wants exposure to Bitcoin you buy a Bitcoin ETF, not El Salvadorean government tokens on an unregulated iFinex marketplace which returns strictly less than an equivalent allocation of Bitcoin and El Salvadorean securities you can buy on regulated marketplaces.

Re: Bitcoin Failed in El Salvador. The President Says the Answer Is More Bitcoin

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post #26

I’m exhausted by cryptocurrency. There’s a kernel of neat tech innovation and a reasonable argument about monetary policy obliterated by an avalanche of greed, hype, fraud, and magical thinking.

There's a lot of hype but there's also a lot of potential to revolutionize commerce. imagine if you could pay 10 cents to read an article or tip a web site. How badly does this torpedo googles ad biz?

Re: Bitcoin Failed in El Salvador. The President Says the Answer Is More Bitcoin

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So the key reason for btc adoption in El Salvador is cheaper remittance payments, I find it odd that an article that sets out to criticize btc in El Salvador doesn't even mention the original intended use case.

What would the problem be to use Transferwise?

Cost! And speed! I did a transfer wise last week and it cost me $15 in fees. What is this, ethereum?(a joke cos ethereum is too expensive to be useful for the retail user). I could have sent BTC and it would have been quicker and cheaper.

Re: Bitcoin Failed in El Salvador. The President Says the Answer Is More Bitcoin

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So the key reason for btc adoption in El Salvador is cheaper remittance payments, I find it odd that an article that sets out to criticize btc in El Salvador doesn't even mention the original intended use case.

1. Remittance payments were already feasible and happening before they adopted btc officially.

2. They’re not cheaper than other methods. They’re more expensive.

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