But I was told that person carbon footprint was a conspiracy to shift blame from industry to individuals.
Jeff Bezos’ Space Joyride Emitted a Lifetime’s Worth of Carbon Pollution
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Re: Jeff Bezos’ Space Joyride Emitted a Lifetime’s Worth of Carbon Pollution
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, the distribution of resources available to any particular person is governed by a power law. People complaining about it every time one of these people is mentioned just gets boring. Everything Jeff Bezos does is going to attract people complaining about it and they would complain about it just the same if the wealth inequality in the world was divided by a thousand. It all reminds me of Obama eating a sandwich…
... You do realize that all of those excuses are straight out of the enabler playbook, right? Apathy, false equivalence, deflection and projection. Come on bro; do better.
Do better? Do better at making a cogent point.
Re: Jeff Bezos’ Space Joyride Emitted a Lifetime’s Worth of Carbon Pollution
#23I believe that anyone that travels a lot on airliners will easily surpass this so nothing to be smug about for a lot of people.
You will have to travel a lot more, over a really long period of time, to get to the 75ton/250ton numbers. Technically, anybody who eats hamburgers can eat enough burgers to hit that number - the point is that JB did that for a small, largely unnecessary spaceflight.
Hamburgers are just as small and unnecessary.
Re: Jeff Bezos’ Space Joyride Emitted a Lifetime’s Worth of Carbon Pollution
#24I was surprised to see this report, given the rockets themselves emit literally zero Carbon Dioxide (the byproduct of their engine being NO2). Then I got to the actual meat of it: >An 11-minute flight emits no fewer than 75 tonnes of carbon per passenger once indirect emissions are taken into account (and more likely, in the 250-1,000 tonnes range). Ah yes, indirect costs. Sure. These things that don't matter when NA…
Well, it is like the difference of going on a cruise and using products that were sent via shipping container. The latter is essential for our modern economies to function, while the former is just irresponsibly destroying the environment for your own amusement.
Re: Jeff Bezos’ Space Joyride Emitted a Lifetime’s Worth of Carbon Pollution
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
... You do realize that all of those excuses are straight out of the enabler playbook, right? Apathy, false equivalence, deflection and projection. Come on bro; do better.
Do better? Do better at making a cogent point.
Alright, I'll try to use smaller and simpler words; just for you.
Spending huge sums of tax dodged, union-busted dirty money on dick rockets that destroy the earth is bad. Controversial, I know.
Excusing such based on a "power law" that is presented as inevitable or equivalent is lazy, and can be used to excuse any actions of said billionaires. That's known as false equivalence, and a call for apathy.
Attacking Obama for eating mustard doesn't take away from the fact that he approved assassinations, continued torture and executive actions, expanded drone strikes and whole new wars; but you wouldn't know it from Cole's comments. That would be an example of deflection.
Accusing anyone who says hey, maybe we shouldn't jerk billionaires off for their atmospheric ring-kissing - at enormous opportunity and environmental cost - of "enabling" billionaires by giving them money is another clear fallacy; google "we live in a society" for more on that big-brain line. Likely some projection in there too.
Why people feel the need to defend this shit is beyond me, and I usually stay out of it. But praising it as "ever-expanding light cones of benefit" is a little too beyond ... searching for a polite word .... well, narcissistic enabling. If you want to know more about that term, I can recommend some books for you guys. I think it would help you.
Re: Jeff Bezos’ Space Joyride Emitted a Lifetime’s Worth of Carbon Pollution
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
To get the number they are cutting for Bezos, they are including the manufacturing and shipping and logistics of the flight. If you add all that in to the carbon cost of a plane's first flight as well, I wouldn't be surprised to find the gap narrower that one might expect.
The carbon cost of the plane should be divided by the number of it's many users. So it is overall, minute, compared to if we do the same division for Bezo's craft.
So the solution clearly is for more people to fly on the spacecraft! /s
Re: Jeff Bezos’ Space Joyride Emitted a Lifetime’s Worth of Carbon Pollution
#27Calling it a joyride seems like typical rage bait du jour. Space is a worthy project. Projects need goals to rally around, and this was a goal being accomplished. Who cares who was on the ride? Furthermore, making it all about the richest few people misses the point. More useful to focus on the goal (regain U.S. space capability, and expand human space capability overall) and remember that there are tens of thousands…
Calling it a joyride seems like typical rage bait du jour. Space is a worthy project. Projects need goals to rally around, and this was a goal being accomplished. Who cares who was on the ride?
Space is a worthy project, but not this particular project.
It could have been impressive in the early oughts, but space projects had moved on. Now we have startups who already launched products to orbits, alongside with SpaceX in which actual commercial products that benefit people worldwide are being launched.
The standard had risen. It's no longer acceptable to only being able to do joyride for billionaires and his friends.
Re: Jeff Bezos’ Space Joyride Emitted a Lifetime’s Worth of Carbon Pollution
#28And yet Bezos was quite clear about Blue Origin's long-term goals ( https://www.msnbc.com/stephanie-ruhle/watch/jeff-bezos-and-b... ): "We need to take all heavy industry, all polluting industry, and move it into space. And keep Earth as this beautiful gem of a planet that it is..." It would "take decades to achieve, but you have to start. And big things start with small steps." Bezos acknowledges that it won't be ac…
It's one thing to have a vision, it's another to execute it. As of late, he had made enemies of space fans and people across the space industries, and destroyed the morale of his workers at his own companies, all the while achieving very little.
Blue Origin is older than SpaceX, and yet SpaceX is far ahead.
Re: Jeff Bezos’ Space Joyride Emitted a Lifetime’s Worth of Carbon Pollution
#29I was surprised to see this report, given the rockets themselves emit literally zero Carbon Dioxide (the byproduct of their engine being NO2). Then I got to the actual meat of it: >An 11-minute flight emits no fewer than 75 tonnes of carbon per passenger once indirect emissions are taken into account (and more likely, in the 250-1,000 tonnes range). Ah yes, indirect costs. Sure. These things that don't matter when NA…
Are NASA and SpaceX missions objective to turn billionaires, millionaires and celebrities into "space cowboys"?
Re: Jeff Bezos’ Space Joyride Emitted a Lifetime’s Worth of Carbon Pollution
#30I was surprised to see this report, given the rockets themselves emit literally zero Carbon Dioxide (the byproduct of their engine being NO2). Then I got to the actual meat of it: >An 11-minute flight emits no fewer than 75 tonnes of carbon per passenger once indirect emissions are taken into account (and more likely, in the 250-1,000 tonnes range). Ah yes, indirect costs. Sure. These things that don't matter when NA…
Well, it is like the difference of going on a cruise and using products that were sent via shipping container. The latter is essential for our modern economies to function, while the former is just irresponsibly destroying the environment for your own amusement.
The problem is people seeing this as a joyride, spaceX or nasa can send up a thousand rockets, and people correctly see that as progress and testing of the ship and advancement of technology. But because people have a hard on for blaming Bezo's for everything this is classified as some sort of waste of time. Blue Origins intended goal is to reach the moon, and this is a step towards it, one that offers a way to fund the project through space tourism, a practice done by most space programs in one shape or form.
Its just painful to watch the hypocrisy, I mean if musk can launch a tesla into space, and not be considered a joyride, I don't think its fair to classify this one any differently.
But hey, gizmodo gets its ad revenue, which I'm sure is equality disturbed across all those involved in making this site possible.