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Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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This reads as very biased and judgmental. It treats streamers as kids who can't take care of themselves and don't understand the long-term impact of their lifestyle and career choice. It honestly makes me wonder if the author is jealous of the subject. It seems like the piece is really reaching to make Tyler's life appear as irresponsible as possible. Plenty of people in all careers don't know how to run their lives…

I don't think this article is that biased. This kind of lifestyle is pretty common for top streamers, and I'd argue it's about far more than just not knowing how to run their lives.

Agree, I thought the way the article was written made me really sympathetic to Tyler. Plus, while the article does talk about streamers in general, I really read it much more as a story about this specific streamer, not about streamers in general.

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Imo we should be lauding this brand new sector and the folks that made it in it. Twitch/YouTube/TikTok literally created a new kind of millionaire. Are we just upset we're also not uber rich for playing video games all day? It's the same with crypto, OnlyFans, and so on. It was the same in '99 with the dot coms. Merely from an economic standpoint, it's interesting to see who these new industries are displacing (since…

It is not zero sum. People only switch to these new sources of entertainment because they get more value from it

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Streamer here. It makes me sad to see that kind of numbers. There is plenty of interesting and attaching personnalities but the crowd focus on top tier streamers. I not complain for me, I'm in the top tier of my niche but I see many people with unit viewers while being positive for other people. That's why I systematically send my viewers to smaller streamer when I stop the live.

If some of you wonder why viewers give us money, from my experience, the stream is a comfortable place for them. But how a 26k people chat could be comfortable? You instantly loose the special link with the streamer by being flooded into the chat. On the streamer side, I can't imagine loosing the special link I have with the community. With 240 messages per minute, it's impossible to meet anyone. I'm lucky to have made friendships and even working relationship through the stream.

For anyone curious about how twitch and HN can meet, go to the Twitch "software and development" category.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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If my kid told me they wanted to be a twitch streamer I would advise them against investing a significant amount of time and effort building a business with a single gatekeeper. If they wanted to be a famous personality, I would insist they start building a profile on every platform.

This isn't well known, but to monetize on Twitch (i.e. be able to receive subscriptions and bits), you have to sign an affiliate agreement[1], which includes a clause prohibiting you from multi-streaming, or putting your VODs up anywhere else for a full day after their conclusion. This severely limits your ability to cross platforms. [1]: https://www.twitch.tv/p/en/legal/affiliate-agreement/

Which kind of demonstrates exactly my point. I would never build a business that needs somebodies permission to exist.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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If you're one of the top streamers, with decent financial literacy, you will easily make enough to retire by 30 if you started streaming at say 20.

But what if you're not one of the top streamers, and you just get 250 viewers a few times a week? I watch a lot of people like that. It seems to pay for room and board, but I worry about their future.

> But what if you're not one of the top streamers, and you just get 250 viewers a few times a week?

If you have 250 viewers a few times a week, you're not quitting your day job for it. If you are, you should probably reconsider.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Imo we should be lauding this brand new sector and the folks that made it in it. Twitch/YouTube/TikTok literally created a new kind of millionaire. Are we just upset we're also not uber rich for playing video games all day? It's the same with crypto, OnlyFans, and so on. It was the same in '99 with the dot coms. Merely from an economic standpoint, it's interesting to see who these new industries are displacing (since…

Yeah i agree, twitch and youtube are producing a new type of celebrity where the content can be created by anyone. Its build your own content, create your own community and do it all yourself. This is disrupting the old entertainment industry where you needed many well connected people to connect you to the audience, and your content was reviewed heavily by ‘experts’ before production.

The content is easier to produce due to technology, and this is personal opinion but its way better than what was made by television studios etc.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Imo we should be lauding this brand new sector and the folks that made it in it. Twitch/YouTube/TikTok literally created a new kind of millionaire. Are we just upset we're also not uber rich for playing video games all day? It's the same with crypto, OnlyFans, and so on. It was the same in '99 with the dot coms. Merely from an economic standpoint, it's interesting to see who these new industries are displacing (since…

> Are we just upset we're also not uber rich for playing video games all day?

There's envy involved but I do think a large contributing factor is also the fact that what streamers and influencers and the like do, and what their "influencees" do, tends to very much lean towards being very mindless. It's like celebrity worship, except there's this "they're just like you and me!" aspect to it that feels incredibly disingenuous.

Instead of going out and doing things, you have people sitting on their butts watching someone else sit on their butts and do that stuff. Instead of people bettering themselves and going out and getting a girlfriend, you have people paying to pretend those lewd photos of some random girl who mentioned your username on a stream once because you tipped her which means she totally knows you exist and is basically your girlfriend, were taken just for you.

On top of that one of the main goals for these people is to get you to buy products from their sponsors. They're like the used car salesmen who try to buddy up to you and flatter you so you'll buy one of their cars. Except people know used car salesmen are bullshitting them. And people know celebrities aren't like you and me. People connect to streamers and influencers and spend more time worshiping them on a different level that feels unhealthy.

Don't get me wrong, I do think they provide some benefits to society. You can say that these sort of people help others feel like part of a family or whatever, and helps those who have a hard time getting a girlfriend feel better. On the other hand, you could also just point to, for example, the suicide rates which have been trending upward pretty steadily, especially starting with the prevalence of smartphones and such. Or the fact that antidepressant usage has essentially doubled in the past two decades.

Overall, to me, it all just feels like a trend in the wrong direction.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Youtube/Social Media has removed the filters and gatekeeping that happened in the legacy media. Of course there is a lot of noise. But what are the odds of a young MKBHD, DrDisrespect, Linus, etc, etc getting their own show in legacy media? Zero to none because we would've never heard about them. Its glorious to see people who are truly brilliant at what they do getting a shot at the audience and owning everything th…

If you mean Linus from LTT, then wasn't he involved with some tech show which was "more legacy media-ish"? But either-way, it's not really that legacy media has a lot of gatekeepers which are a mixture of "stuck in the past", "focused on questionable qualifications" and/or "not-impartial/corrupt". I guess it's not surprising that such which benefit from being (with modern tech) unnecessary middle man and/or benefit f…

Linus got his start doing product review videos for NCIX which was an online computer hardware shop up here in Canada. He had a fairly severe disagreement about the future of the company (his idea was to compete against amazon with kiosk-style brick and mortar with minimal inventory) so he went independent with his videos. It wasn't really a traditional media thing. NCIX died a couple years ago.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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The article mentions that Tyler makes $300k per year in merchandise alone (so excluding any actual sponsored content). Frankly I don't get why this can't be seen as a legitimate very successful business. Where is the line? Is entertainment only valid on TV? YouTube? Some commenters here even said that it's all good now but that it won't work in his thirties or something as if there aren't a ton of jobs out there that…

I knew G to PG-13 rated camgirls that were making six figures back in 1997 to 2000. They eventually got disrupted by the adult industry providing more explicit content for much less money upfront. OnlyFans seems to have reinvented this model at scale, but what's the average margin for an OnlyFans provider? $180/month. https://influencermarketinghub.com/glossary/onlyfans/

I’m familiar with two women doing financial domination stuff. One of them is fully PG-13. It’s interesting there are still certain niches where you don’t have to go past R rates stuff and can bring in mid 5 figures or higher.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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There are slower and faster moments. e.g after recalling/killing enemies/dying you have like 30sec to look around map and think what you as team want to do / achieve and how to do that It depends on the stage of the game, but generally when enemies are around, then you may don't have time to think.

That's been my experience too. I never felt exhausted playing. Thinking about what to do better between games was more draining. I've never played competitively, though I did get to about top 3000 in North America. Thanks for sharing!

I mean I'm not saying that I do not feel exhausted after playing

Matches where e.g we lose early game and have to come back somehow by avoiding commiting mistakes hard and somehow catching off somebody from enemy team could be exhausting cuz you're basically balacing on the edge for 30min :P

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