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Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

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Re: Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

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Post by ineedasername »

rozap wrote: post #47
dijit wrote: post #34

Be extremely wary of Oracle free tiers. They offered a free tier and forced me to choose a shape. I chose the smallest of the two “shapes” but it was apparently not free. This was not especially clear until I got my first bill (it was extortionate; like 60eur/mo for 1cpu/2g ram) so I stopped/removed the instance. This did not prevent me from being billed the next month, or the next month. They charged me until my car…

Oh my god. Oracle having my address and credit card number is a nightmare scenario.

I figure that info is out there in the wild in the hands of criminals after countless data breaches.

And I'm less worried about those criminals having my data than Oracle. I think they only see the world in two colors: 1) Current customers 2) people to sue. And lots of #1 are in the second category as well.

Re: Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

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Post by itsabigworld »

niij wrote: post #154
worik wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IANAL But AFAIK in civilised jurisdictions if I offer a service for money, and you offer money, I must offer the service. If I make up charges for you and you refuse to pay, I can cease offering the service (to everybody) but I cannot just cut you out because you will not pay the out of contract charge. These laws are to protect people who belong to groups that commonly get discriminated against.

> IANAL That much is clear. Charging a fee for providing bad payment info is legal. See "bounced check" fees.

GP referred to "civilised jurisdictions", by which most of us snarkily mean "outside the US". Since you refer to cheques, I presume you're in the US. If that is correct, then it's kind of beside the point whether or not it's legal there.

In any case, their point is valid. This would certainly not be legal in my jurisdiction. The company can write it in the contract all they want, but the law on collecting payments trumps that and is the only thing that matters. You wouldn't have to pay.

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Edit to add: "Lov om inkassovirksomhet" § 17, which according to § 3 can't be voided by agreement. Short version is that you can't demand fees covered unless the client fails to pay within the 14 day deadline of the payment reminder.

Re: Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

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Post by itsabigworld »

jfrunyon wrote: post #140
thriftwy wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this even legal? In most jurisdictions, you have to be a government to fine anybody. Sending frivolous charges may be considered fraud and also lead to chargebacks.

If someone has contractually agreed to pay a certain amount if an event happens, and that event happens, then yes, that person has to pay that amount if that event happens.

I can't speak for other jurisdictions, but Norwegian law explicitly says that you can't demand payment in that case, even if you have a contract that says otherwise.

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Re: Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

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Post by noasaservice »

hamburglar wrote: post #139
noasaservice wrote: post #116

The only valid response to this is "Fuck Oracle". Friends do not let friends use anything relating to Oracle, VirtualBox, Java... Anything. No. Just no. Run, Don't walk.

> Java Uh, whaaaat? I am a legit Java hater, but “friends don’t let friends use Java” is kinda a bizarre viewpoint. You know how much of our industry uses Java? I may prefer other languages but I’m not turning down a job based on them having settled on Java. It’s not PHP. :D

I should have specified Oracle Java; in any way, shape, or capacity. Keyword: Oracle. I figured I didn't have to explicitly state "Oracle Java", but pedants happen.

OpenJDK/OpenJRE is good.

Re: Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

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Post by vipermark7 »

hereforphone wrote: post #130
laurent92 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, Java is outdated, young people aren’t even interested in learning Java anymore. It’s the “old language”. Try React. Angular. Anything NPM is sexy. Leave Java for the generation Y.

Java is disgusting. So is all the stuff you just mentioned.

What are good technologies then?

Re: Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

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Post by winrid »

andai wrote: post #45
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #41

Been using it for months for a Minecraft server. Runs 10+ players with mods without much difficulty. I limited the RAM usage to 6GB though so that the Garbage Collector doesn't go nuts.

Wait, are you saying Java performs worse if you give it more memory to work with?

No. A bigger heap means more work for a memory manager. If you just give it more memory, but your app doesn't use it, no harm done.

Honestly Java in 2021 can handle huge heaps pretty well. Not sure which GC they are running.

Re: Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

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Post by nieve »

artembugara wrote: post #71

Oracle for Startups gives 70% off for 2 years: https://www.oracle.com/startup/explore-the-program/

I wonder how many startups hit that 3.3x price increase at 25 months and scramble to move elsewhere because the costs were still higher than they should have been at 70% off?
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