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Assange judge is 40-year ‘good friend’ of minister who orchestrated his arrest

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Post by pjc50 »

voakbasda wrote: post #64
pjc50 wrote: post #16

This is rather a broader problem in the UK: the country is run by an extremely small group of people who all know each other and who have the capacity to appoint each other to positions of power, all the while getting sympathetic coverage from the press, who they also crossover with. (I wonder why Dame Cressida Rose Dick DBE QPM won't investigate the House of Lords cash-for-peerages scandal? https://news.sky.com/stor…

The status quo was a not too different in the US. Look at legacy families like the Bushes, Clintons, Kennedys, etc. Breaking into politics requires embracing some seriously intense nepotism.

Another recent example: the Cuomo brothers, one politics, one media.

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Post by mandmandam »

Ensorceled wrote: post #63
mandmandam wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Main stream media are the media who used Assange's stories when it became clear they couldn't ignore them; then helped to smear him while ignoring his torture and a long list of disproportionate and illegal actions against him. You can call them scumbag media, billionaire media, or tool of the warmongers media; but pre-judging people who use the term "main stream media" means you have chosen the side of the opulent o…

"main stream media" is also a radical right calling card. There are nothing good that comes out of using MSM and assorted catch phrases. Big fan of Chomsky, but his usage of the term mainstream media is not what that term has been co-opted to mean by some of the various forces he has, and is, warning us about.

Mainstream media is the media that is mainstream. I don't give a flying fuck if the GOP decide it means only corporate "left" media.

'Socialism', 'liberal', 'terrorist', 'torture', etc... Allowing brainwashed loons and their puppeteers to decide what words mean is a mug's game, and I suggest you stop playing.

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Post by Ensorceled »

mandmandam wrote: post #72
Ensorceled wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"main stream media" is also a radical right calling card. There are nothing good that comes out of using MSM and assorted catch phrases. Big fan of Chomsky, but his usage of the term mainstream media is not what that term has been co-opted to mean by some of the various forces he has, and is, warning us about.

Mainstream media is the media that is mainstream. I don't give a flying fuck if the GOP decide it means only corporate "left" media. 'Socialism', 'liberal', 'terrorist', 'torture', etc... Allowing brainwashed loons and their puppeteers to decide what words mean is a mug's game, and I suggest you stop playing.

You seem to think you know a heck of a lot about me ...

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Post by mandmandam »

Ensorceled wrote: post #73
mandmandam wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mainstream media is the media that is mainstream. I don't give a flying fuck if the GOP decide it means only corporate "left" media. 'Socialism', 'liberal', 'terrorist', 'torture', etc... Allowing brainwashed loons and their puppeteers to decide what words mean is a mug's game, and I suggest you stop playing.

You seem to think you know a heck of a lot about me ...

You pre-judge people for using the words mainstream media; and I've given you the reasons I feel that's dumb and on the wrong side.

Your argument is "you don't know me", so I think we can end this chat there.

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Post by danuker »

kklisura wrote: post #24

Whatever opinion you had about Assange, I think history will not look favourably on how he has been treated during this process.

History is written by the victor. Unless freedom is victorious, future generations might not hear about Assange.

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Post by [deleted] »

tssva wrote: post #66
voakbasda wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The status quo was a not too different in the US. Look at legacy families like the Bushes, Clintons, Kennedys, etc. Breaking into politics requires embracing some seriously intense nepotism.

The Clintons are a legacy family?

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Post by Normille »

fmajid wrote: post #67
sbuk wrote: post #45

When are we going to get the diplomat's wife that murdered the kid near Mildenhall? UK should reject all extraditions to the US until that piece of work is in a UK prison. // Edit Further, we should stop all extraditions to the US until they stop the barbaric practice of capital punishment.

You seem to be under the misapprehension that the US and UK are equals, rather than the actual master-poodle relationship. The UK had similar unequal treaties with Imperial China in the 19th Century, and now the boot is on the other foot.

This ^^ a million times this.

I genuinely wonder if people in the US see countries like the UK, Australia, Germany, etc as being "partners" in some kind of relationship of equals? Whereas, from the other side of the telescope it genuinely feels like living in a vassal state "They say jump. We say 'how high?'"

There may be as yet undiscovered tribes in the midst of the Amazonian jungle who were surprised by this decision. But, in the UK, we all knew that, once the US "demanded" the UK would bend over and lube up... after the usual bit of judicial theatre, to make it all appear above board, of course.

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Post by gardnr »

dogleash wrote: post #44
rich_sasha wrote: post #3

Most voices in support of Assange seem to come from people with strong conviction that he is clearly a good guy (unsurprisingly). I don’t really have an opinion. Could someone provide a more impassioned / balanced list of pros and cons? From my vague point of view, I get that he is sort of a journalist (so should be protected), but also the stuff he leaked did go quite far, like borderline-espionage scale (or is that…

>impassioned / balanced list of pros and cons? If I recall correctly, the thesis of wikileaks from their beginning was that leaks increase the cost and complexity to governments keeping their actions secret therefore providing a sort of forcing function to reduce both the number and scope of dishonorable actions carried out in secret. Wikileaks is best understood as a force vector in a system. It's possible to have a…

I'm generally with you but can you illuminate the difference between the "W"s and the "L"s?

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Post by gardnr »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #40
rich_sasha wrote: post #3

Most voices in support of Assange seem to come from people with strong conviction that he is clearly a good guy (unsurprisingly). I don’t really have an opinion. Could someone provide a more impassioned / balanced list of pros and cons? From my vague point of view, I get that he is sort of a journalist (so should be protected), but also the stuff he leaked did go quite far, like borderline-espionage scale (or is that…

If you grew up in the hacker-scene of the late 80ies early 90ies it might be easier to empathize with him than what is possible just reading the US/UK/SE documents claiming he is a rapey person that enjoys torturing cats. I don't think he is either a hero nor a villain, but has the classic mentality of the hacker-scene (both useful but also highly toxic). Broken people (aren't we all?) who try to be larger-than-life…

> All of the wannabe independent citizen journalists who are successful must be backed by the intelligence community in the country they operate.

You are describing fascism here.

This is a scary rhetoric that attaches reporting responsibility to the authorities which they are meant to keep in check.

There must be another way.

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Post by jasonm23 »

Havoc wrote: post #26

The whole assange thing feels like a stitch up

More a tapestry. The amount of IC orchestration required for all the moves here is unlike anything I've ever seen. (Since the cold war)

They are telegraphing the entire world here, if you want to expose the truth, think again and maybe stfu.

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