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Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Post by hrez »

josefrichter wrote: post #79

Wow. I didn’t know this, but I was actually able to observe this state on myself. When going to sleep, my mind is wandering. But at one point it drifts from real world thoughts to completely abstract concepts and wild imagination that sometimes makes no sense. It’s almost like a hallucination. What’s most interesting is that sometimes I am able to notice the transition to this state and consciously observe it. Usuall…

>maybe I’d have a Nobel prize already, if only I kept a pen and paper ready next to my bed

Far more likely it would be "The banana is great, but the skin is greater"[0] :)

0. https://www.google.com/books/edition/Where_China_Meets_India...

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Post by jniedrauer »

distantaidenn wrote: post #117
josefrichter wrote: post #79

Wow. I didn’t know this, but I was actually able to observe this state on myself. When going to sleep, my mind is wandering. But at one point it drifts from real world thoughts to completely abstract concepts and wild imagination that sometimes makes no sense. It’s almost like a hallucination. What’s most interesting is that sometimes I am able to notice the transition to this state and consciously observe it. Usuall…

Wow, I have this exact same experience before falling asleep. It feels like a direct shift in the thought processes, and as you described it, it feels as though you have become a passive observer of your own thoughts. The images are sometimes so absurd and creative that I almost laugh to myself. But I also, don't KNOW if the images are creative or absurd, but just my brain believing it so -- is there even a differenc…

>do you also have high rates of sleep paralysis?

Yes, often toward the end of this near-dreaming state, just before entering deeper sleep. I experience a sensation like entering a free fall and lose the ability to move. It takes quite a lot of energy to climb back out of it and regain the ability to move.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Post by digitallyfree »

distantaidenn wrote: post #117
josefrichter wrote: post #79

Wow. I didn’t know this, but I was actually able to observe this state on myself. When going to sleep, my mind is wandering. But at one point it drifts from real world thoughts to completely abstract concepts and wild imagination that sometimes makes no sense. It’s almost like a hallucination. What’s most interesting is that sometimes I am able to notice the transition to this state and consciously observe it. Usuall…

Wow, I have this exact same experience before falling asleep. It feels like a direct shift in the thought processes, and as you described it, it feels as though you have become a passive observer of your own thoughts. The images are sometimes so absurd and creative that I almost laugh to myself. But I also, don't KNOW if the images are creative or absurd, but just my brain believing it so -- is there even a differenc…

Lucid dreamer here. I often feel the "switch" the same way you do, and I ride through it as the images transistion into the "dream world". Through this I can directly enter into a lucid dream if I choose to keep my conscious mind slightly active, else it becomes a passive dream (though sometimes I do discover that I'm dreaming and it then becomes lucid once more). I have to be cautious here though, as if I start thinking too hard I snap out of it and return to consciousness.

During this time sleep paralysis is almost always in effect. Basically I can listen and think, but there is a gate on my muscles - small motions like twitching my fingers won't work, strong motions cut through (and immediately stops the paralysis). To me it generally happens when my mind is about to switch off and I am on the verge of falling asleep.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Post by NicoJuicy »

distantaidenn wrote: post #117
josefrichter wrote: post #79

Wow. I didn’t know this, but I was actually able to observe this state on myself. When going to sleep, my mind is wandering. But at one point it drifts from real world thoughts to completely abstract concepts and wild imagination that sometimes makes no sense. It’s almost like a hallucination. What’s most interesting is that sometimes I am able to notice the transition to this state and consciously observe it. Usuall…

Wow, I have this exact same experience before falling asleep. It feels like a direct shift in the thought processes, and as you described it, it feels as though you have become a passive observer of your own thoughts. The images are sometimes so absurd and creative that I almost laugh to myself. But I also, don't KNOW if the images are creative or absurd, but just my brain believing it so -- is there even a differenc…

> Also, if I wake up during a dream, upon falling back asleep, I'm able to "continue" them.

I have this too, i asked around and people just found it weird.

Most also don't remember their dream, but i can remember the last one for about 10 minutes before it fogs away.

If i want to continue it. I need to remember the last thing that happened and the first moments i can control what's going to happen until something else takes over. It's the only reason I would go back to sleep again, if the dream was really "nice".

I also think I can control a dream and I mostly realize that I'm dreaming. Then I think about: "hey, this is really weird what's happening here, I'll wake up now. Since this is just a dream. It can't be real."

There's also one time I totally didn't realize it at all. And something embarrassing happened. But I drank alcohol the night before and it must have been related to that.

Sometimes people say they can have conversations with me, while I definitely was sleeping. You could ask any question than and I'd answer ( even the kind that you shouldn't ask)

( Didn't read the article yet)

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Post by deepakarora3 »

jniedrauer wrote: post #122
distantaidenn wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, I have this exact same experience before falling asleep. It feels like a direct shift in the thought processes, and as you described it, it feels as though you have become a passive observer of your own thoughts. The images are sometimes so absurd and creative that I almost laugh to myself. But I also, don't KNOW if the images are creative or absurd, but just my brain believing it so -- is there even a differenc…

>do you also have high rates of sleep paralysis? Yes, often toward the end of this near-dreaming state, just before entering deeper sleep. I experience a sensation like entering a free fall and lose the ability to move. It takes quite a lot of energy to climb back out of it and regain the ability to move.

A similar experience occurs with me almost always when jet lagged. After fighting off sleep for much of the day when I finally fall asleep during the later part of the day, it starts off exactly like described - a really dreamy state. Then after I have slept a couple of hours, I enter a state where I am sleeping and also awake at the same time and wanting to wake up but in a state of sleep paralysis where it is a herculean effort to try and shake off sleep and wake up. More often than not, even though I know I am in this state, still a panic sets in me that I am not able to shake off sleep and I wake up after quite some effort. And yes, I have had dreams where I have been able to solve some problems at work even without thinking about them during the day. Its totally fascinating!

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Post by VeninVidiaVicii »

josefrichter wrote: post #79

Wow. I didn’t know this, but I was actually able to observe this state on myself. When going to sleep, my mind is wandering. But at one point it drifts from real world thoughts to completely abstract concepts and wild imagination that sometimes makes no sense. It’s almost like a hallucination. What’s most interesting is that sometimes I am able to notice the transition to this state and consciously observe it. Usuall…

When I’m falling asleep, I worry about things from the day — then my mind starts mixing everything up at some point.

Lying in bed, I vividly remember studying for a test on human anatomy, going over everything in my head. After five or so minutes, I felt pretty confident with my knowledge of human anatomy and I started panicking about my lack of knowledge of car anatomy (which doesn’t exist).

Strange enough, I can always tell my thoughts are jumbled up but I can’t fix them.

I hadn’t considered it was due to the shift into sleep — I always thought I was just too tired to keep making sense.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Post by srcreigh »

I've experienced similar effects first hand.

University algorithm class assignment is due tomorrow at 1pm. I start working on it at midnight the day of. At around 4-5am I was stumped from a few problems, and went to campus to get some coffee. Tim Horton's doesn't open until 7am. I sit down in a chair and fall asleep.

While I was sleeping (half sleeping?), I dream-solved the remainder of the problems.

At 7am, I awoke, got my coffee, then went to type up the solutions.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Post by texasbigdata »

srcreigh wrote: post #129

I've experienced similar effects first hand. University algorithm class assignment is due tomorrow at 1pm. I start working on it at midnight the day of. At around 4-5am I was stumped from a few problems, and went to campus to get some coffee. Tim Horton's doesn't open until 7am. I sit down in a chair and fall asleep. While I was sleeping (half sleeping?), I dream-solved the remainder of the problems. At 7am, I awoke,…

Did you get the right answers? :)

Hat tip for Timmies though.

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