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Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Looks like the brain has several layers of conscious states. The brain consumes many calories and thinking hard can make you tired. Especially if you have been very productive for a long time and then hit a wall. At the point of mental exhaustion, the brain desires sleep. You fall asleep and begin having a psychosis. The brain uses symbols that represent the psychosis causing hallucination. There is something about b…

What does psychosis actually refer to? I've heard the term but am not familiar with its official meaning

To those suffering it, it is normal reality, but to those observing it, it is chaos.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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I use the hypnogagic state as part of my meditation routine. I always shower before bed and that's when I tend to start getting sleepy. So I started meditating during that time. I can get to the phase of seeing shifting colors and patterns very easily in this setup. I've been able to get there outside the hypnogagic state but only with some difficulty and not consistently.

Meditation is about being alert and present. Hypnagogia in my experience is a hindrance that impedes meditation progress since it dulls the senses and experience.

Meditation is a wide range of practice.

If your goal is to be aware of yourself in the immediate, to feel things directly, then the hypnogagic state can work well. Obviously your mileage may vary.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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I think I once got into this hypnagogic state by accident. I was having a nap and my dogs woke me up because it was time for their walk. I felt sleepy while walking the dogs but also had a clarity regarding anything I examined in my mind. It's as if my regular state of mind was like walking in a forest with limited visibility, and now I could see the territory from a bird's perspective. This lasted for about 15 mins…

Meditation, if you don't overdo it (namely no longer than 30 minutes) has the same effect.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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I think I once got into this hypnagogic state by accident. I was having a nap and my dogs woke me up because it was time for their walk. I felt sleepy while walking the dogs but also had a clarity regarding anything I examined in my mind. It's as if my regular state of mind was like walking in a forest with limited visibility, and now I could see the territory from a bird's perspective. This lasted for about 15 mins…

I enter such state quite often, as a result of a pattern I used to enter lucid dreams when younger I can recognize and voluntarily drift into 'aware naps' - apparently based on wife feedback I can do everything from chores to rocking my daughter bed but speech patterns are garbled, even if internally I hear the conversation and interiorly think coherent answers. She just has to wake me and I can immediately and accurately answer.

People would think narcolepsy or sleepwalking, but it's voluntary, I keep memories, and keep doing whatever I need to be doing.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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I think I once got into this hypnagogic state by accident. I was having a nap and my dogs woke me up because it was time for their walk. I felt sleepy while walking the dogs but also had a clarity regarding anything I examined in my mind. It's as if my regular state of mind was like walking in a forest with limited visibility, and now I could see the territory from a bird's perspective. This lasted for about 15 mins…

I guarantee that someone out there can recommend a substance which achieves that effect

Half a tab of LSD can get you there and keep you there for hours.

BRB, trying.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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I once fell asleep while coming down from LSD and woke up with sleep paralysis. I was wide awake, still buzzed from the acid and completely paralyzed. Fortunately I didn't panic despite not knowing about sleep paralysis and thinking the LSD had paralyzed me. It took me awhile but I managed to shake myself into movement finally.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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I thought Edison's "visionary" status had been discarded and his primary skillsets were deceit and self publicity? How much meditation time does it take to strong arm other people's work over and over again? It's a talent, but visionary doesn't seem apt.

Let's say Edison created none of his lab's inventions. But it was still a lab he put together, was it not? He should get some credit -- so should the individual inventors, no doubt, but the question is just how visionary Edison was, and if his only real vision was creating a lab, hiring, and so on, then visionary he most definitely was.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Both Dali and Edison did not have families and children to rise. They were multimillionaries also. If you are also childless and multimillionaire, you can experiment with what essentially a sleep deprivation, having hallutinations that are useful in a work of... genius?

Also, in case of Edison, he used an army of assistants to comb through his ideas and patents avaiable at the time to find what is useful. Again, a privilege of multimillionaire

These techniques cannot be used by a person who have to walk a dog early every morning, help his son to go to a school and work with complex code base.

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