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Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Post by Philip-J-Fry »

Permit wrote: post #76
kubb wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really imply that playing the same game over and over again (with some variables but still) is the same as solving programming problems? The game is literally designed to hook you in and make you play one more and one more. You absolutely can autopilot through a game and still win. Don't get me wrong, the guy has a lot of dedication for sure. But playing League all day is really not like coding all day, I don'…

Have you played League of Legends or Dota 2 before? It will be hard to convey the mental/emotional exhaustion that most people feel from playing MOBAs at even a semi-competitive level. In my experience it's a lot different than playing FPS or other games. I have a distinct memory of finishing a game of Dota 2 and realizing that it felt as though I'd just finished a 3 hour exam. I didn't feel happy that we'd won, just…

I've played League of Legends for nearly 10 years.

Not to take anything away from Tyler1, because he really goes above and beyond, but it really doesn't take much mental focus or anything really to play it. Programming? It takes focus, you really have to think sometimes. But League? When I'm tired the game plays itself. It just feels like muscle memory.

It might take a bit more effort to play at a consistently high level. But I'm pretty sure it's mostly muscle memory for him too. There's very little actual thinking other than the big picture of what objectives to take and I'm sure when he's playing for 20+ hours he's just on autopilot for the majority of the time.

To put it into comparison with how little mental power it personally takes me, I like to watch a lot of Anime, that's Japanese animation with English subtitles. I can't watch Anime if I'm tired because keeping track of subtitles and what's on screen actually takes a substantial amount of mental power. But I can bash out 5 games of LoL back to back when I'm equally as tired.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Post by azth »

kubb wrote: post #64
dvt wrote: post #46

Imo we should be lauding this brand new sector and the folks that made it in it. Twitch/YouTube/TikTok literally created a new kind of millionaire. Are we just upset we're also not uber rich for playing video games all day? It's the same with crypto, OnlyFans, and so on. It was the same in '99 with the dot coms. Merely from an economic standpoint, it's interesting to see who these new industries are displacing (since…

Why is it laudable? Sure, we shouldn't be jealous of successful people, but why go to the other extreme? It surely won't help you have an unbiased stance on the phenomenon.

Exactly. Making money is fine as long as it is done in a moral and ethical way. Women showing their bodies on twitch and others so guys can drool over them? No thanks.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Post by munk-a »

Kiro wrote: post #72
munk-a wrote: post #40

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I think, for the majority of streamers, the way to set expenses is by looking at long term subscribers rather than day-to-day donations - those donos can fund fun things but you're going to want to try and keep your life expenses carried by the regular subscription income. A lot of the people who have gotten successful doing this have endured extremely lean times when they were trying to break into a decent sized aud…

Aren't subscriptions basically just a monthly donation? What do I get for subscribing apart from the icon in front of my name in chat and possibly a shoutout?

Absolutely nothing! But subscribers tend to be more reliable about re-subscribing.

When it comes to twitch you're never really buying anything concrete with your cash. You're mostly buying attention or a reply - sometimes you'll buy game effects or challenges, but usually you're just abstractly throwing money at them to keep the content coming.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Post by solidasparagus »

Permit wrote: post #76
kubb wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really imply that playing the same game over and over again (with some variables but still) is the same as solving programming problems? The game is literally designed to hook you in and make you play one more and one more. You absolutely can autopilot through a game and still win. Don't get me wrong, the guy has a lot of dedication for sure. But playing League all day is really not like coding all day, I don'…

Have you played League of Legends or Dota 2 before? It will be hard to convey the mental/emotional exhaustion that most people feel from playing MOBAs at even a semi-competitive level. In my experience it's a lot different than playing FPS or other games. I have a distinct memory of finishing a game of Dota 2 and realizing that it felt as though I'd just finished a 3 hour exam. I didn't feel happy that we'd won, just…

Playing MOBAs all day is much easier than programming all day. It has bigger lows like exhausting 100 minute techie games or getting tilted by teammates, but it's still somehow easier. I think it's because you get a fresh start every game and a good game is refreshing in a way that finishing a problem isn't.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Post by BoorishBears »

rhizome wrote: post #91
belval wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article mentions that Tyler makes $300k per year in merchandise alone (so excluding any actual sponsored content). Frankly I don't get why this can't be seen as a legitimate very successful business. Where is the line? Is entertainment only valid on TV? YouTube? Some commenters here even said that it's all good now but that it won't work in his thirties or something as if there aren't a ton of jobs out there that…

> Frankly I don't get why this can't be seen as a legitimate very successful business. This is going to sound glib, but I honestly think it's because Pinterest hasn't been able to create a comparable (or even marginally similar) business model for its users to capitalize on. Seriously, why isn't Pinterest a big shopping destination? The answer to that will tell us a lot about attitudes toward influencers and e-stars.

Because to do that it'd become YouTube?

No one cares about a shopping list of pictures, people want engagement with a Real Human™ if they're going to spend their cash on a recommendation

So Pinterest would have to pivot to a niche video site, which is not exactly an easy thing to sustain

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Post by esotericimpl »

belval wrote: post #54
dvt wrote: post #46

Imo we should be lauding this brand new sector and the folks that made it in it. Twitch/YouTube/TikTok literally created a new kind of millionaire. Are we just upset we're also not uber rich for playing video games all day? It's the same with crypto, OnlyFans, and so on. It was the same in '99 with the dot coms. Merely from an economic standpoint, it's interesting to see who these new industries are displacing (since…

The article mentions that Tyler makes $300k per year in merchandise alone (so excluding any actual sponsored content). Frankly I don't get why this can't be seen as a legitimate very successful business. Where is the line? Is entertainment only valid on TV? YouTube? Some commenters here even said that it's all good now but that it won't work in his thirties or something as if there aren't a ton of jobs out there that…

I see no difference in this kind of job as an NFL or any other sports player. Sure they might not be able to keep doing this into their 40s but who cares have to strike while the iron is hot.

If they grow out or decide streaming video games or whatever isnt for them, thats no different than a baseball player retiring.

Maybe they move into the front office and advise other up and coming streamers and entertainers what they can do. Who knows what the market will look like for this kind of entertainment in the future.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Post by gnopgnip »

dvt wrote: post #46

Imo we should be lauding this brand new sector and the folks that made it in it. Twitch/YouTube/TikTok literally created a new kind of millionaire. Are we just upset we're also not uber rich for playing video games all day? It's the same with crypto, OnlyFans, and so on. It was the same in '99 with the dot coms. Merely from an economic standpoint, it's interesting to see who these new industries are displacing (since…

The economy is not a zero sum game.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Post by ZephyrBlu »

Permit wrote: post #76
kubb wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really imply that playing the same game over and over again (with some variables but still) is the same as solving programming problems? The game is literally designed to hook you in and make you play one more and one more. You absolutely can autopilot through a game and still win. Don't get me wrong, the guy has a lot of dedication for sure. But playing League all day is really not like coding all day, I don'…

Have you played League of Legends or Dota 2 before? It will be hard to convey the mental/emotional exhaustion that most people feel from playing MOBAs at even a semi-competitive level. In my experience it's a lot different than playing FPS or other games. I have a distinct memory of finishing a game of Dota 2 and realizing that it felt as though I'd just finished a 3 hour exam. I didn't feel happy that we'd won, just…

I would argue that is more due to stress than focus. Top players usually don't take laddering seriously (I.e. not stressed).

Also, if you're playing for that long you end up making a lot of mistakes even if you're a top player. I don't think it's comparable to programming.

Re: Up all night with a Twitch millionaire

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Post by paulpauper »

dvt wrote: post #46

Imo we should be lauding this brand new sector and the folks that made it in it. Twitch/YouTube/TikTok literally created a new kind of millionaire. Are we just upset we're also not uber rich for playing video games all day? It's the same with crypto, OnlyFans, and so on. It was the same in '99 with the dot coms. Merely from an economic standpoint, it's interesting to see who these new industries are displacing (since…

What hate is there? the majority of comments are supportive.
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