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Their money goes into GME and crypto
better investment then a Ferrari
depends on the Ferrari tbh
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#42This sounds like a bad way to live, and I'm sure it is. But, I wonder if a similarly anxious narrative could be written about the average PM at a startup, or Amazon delivery person, or Uber driver, or really anyone with a demanding job that consumes as much of your time as it can. It seems like being swatted and harassed online are the more unique perils of being a content creator, but the 10-hour stressful days are…
T1 is a very extreme example. He seems to have no life, he plays the same game for 10-12 hours/day, he is pretty toxic, he seems to have few other interests and no social life...that is fine, he is an astute businessman but most other streamers aren't doing this. They play variety, they do IRL, they have social lives, they take breaks. Even xQc, another streamer who is notorious for 20+ hour streams every week, plays variety and goes outside...sometimes (he recently did an IRL stream at Universal).
So I think it is like a lot of entertainment: the job can be intense, there is often little separation between personal and private but the pay is generally pretty good. Even on Twitch which really struggles with promoting smaller streamers, there are people far down the chain earning $50k/year with relatively small communities. Is that better than a startup? No. But not everyone can move to SF or go to college either.
I don't think being swatted or harassed is that common either. If you are a big streamer and you leak where you live, then maybe...but it doesn't happen as much as it used to (xQc got swatted repeatedly this year, and someone broke into his house...it does still happen).
Also, Twitch chat is toxic but most of the negative comments are not serious. I understand why normies wouldn't understand that but part of the fun for (some) streamers is battling with chat. It isn't a very serious place.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
better investment then a Ferrari
depends on the Ferrari tbh
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic but cars are the definition of an absolutely terrible investment - they might beat out randomly hoping you'll land big on r/wallstreetbets but both are extremely poor investment decisions.
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If someone is an esports player, it would be hard to stay a professional (in most action games at least) at age 30 simply due to natural wear on your hands and reaction times getting slower.
This doesn't really make sense. Athletes in many sports are playing way past their 'prime' these days and they are wearing out much more than just their hands. Consistently good reaction times are a result of consistent training. Plenty of older baseball/tennis players have superhuman reaction times. I would see mental fatigue and boredom as being the major hurdle to playing esports on a professional level at an olde…
In physical sports the barrier to entry is very high. Even if you have good reaction time, high strength, etc. you will still need 1000s of hours of practice from a very young age to excel.
In e-sports there's millions of people practicing every day and the built in ranking system can filter that down to the current top 0.1%. At this point branching out into actual competitions is not nearly as difficult as getting noticed by a NBA, NFL, etc. recruiter.
It does depend on the Game. CSGO players play a very limited number of maps so pure reaction time and hand-eye coordination is often the deciding factor. Strategy games like LoL and softer FPS games like Fortnite are less dependent on physical talent.
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#453 to 8 hours long streams seems to be the norm on Twitch. What kind of lifestyle there’s that allows the consumption of full day long content?
You have it on in the background. Some streams have a very engaged community, everyone is there flooding the chat all the time. But in most streams the viewers aren't engaging, they have it on the background, it is on their second monitor while they play games or work or whatever. Viewership went way up during the pandemic too.
I don't think it is for everyone but I prefer it to TV/Netflix/whatever. I didn't even play games when I started watching (I do now, but only once or twice a week). Some people prefer amateur porn to Brazzers.
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#46Imo we should be lauding this brand new sector and the folks that made it in it. Twitch/YouTube/TikTok literally created a new kind of millionaire. Are we just upset we're also not uber rich for playing video games all day? It's the same with crypto, OnlyFans, and so on. It was the same in '99 with the dot coms.
Merely from an economic standpoint, it's interesting to see who these new industries are displacing (since this is a zero sum game). I'm sure having zillions of dollars doesn't make you happy, but there's so much unwarranted hate here on HN for new ventures and disruptive industries, it's kind of odd. It feels HN has become way more corporatist in the past few years -- everyone wants to work for FAANG, no one wants to do their own thing. "If it's popular, it must be bad" is a pretty myopic view.
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#47What's the career progression for streamers and eSports players, anyway? I feel like everyone that does this now is going to be tired of it in 5 years, and then they're just 30 and without a college degree or job experience.
why does every endeavor require career progression? its [Current Year] can't people just enjoy something, take the money and invest it, then go to college, start a business, make a RE empire? Ask a few military vets, many legitimately just start at the bottom at the totem some place novel into their mid 30s.
Right? Can't you just enjoy being in a good place and stay there?
Maybe I'm jaundiced because I just had to fill out my annual review self-assessment and skipped the "5-year plan" because I simply couldn't be bothered to lie about it.
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#48This sounds like a bad way to live, and I'm sure it is. But, I wonder if a similarly anxious narrative could be written about the average PM at a startup, or Amazon delivery person, or Uber driver, or really anyone with a demanding job that consumes as much of your time as it can. It seems like being swatted and harassed online are the more unique perils of being a content creator, but the 10-hour stressful days are…
I keep reading these exposé’s about how difficult and damaging some career is. I rock climb and everyone is obsessed with shining light on eating disorders and how thin athletes need to be. No one is writing about plumbers having bad backs and knees, or construction workers having lung problems. It’s just oh “Kim Kardashian is stressed because people say mean things on Instagram.”
It’s dumb, yes life is hard and will grind you down. If your lucky you make enough money to step away while your still healthy and relatively young.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
If someone is an esports player, it would be hard to stay a professional (in most action games at least) at age 30 simply due to natural wear on your hands and reaction times getting slower.
This doesn't really make sense. Athletes in many sports are playing way past their 'prime' these days and they are wearing out much more than just their hands. Consistently good reaction times are a result of consistent training. Plenty of older baseball/tennis players have superhuman reaction times. I would see mental fatigue and boredom as being the major hurdle to playing esports on a professional level at an olde…
It's counterintuitive, but if you look at eSports players, the prime years are much lower (both the start and the end). You do see 16 year olds at the top but you never see 30 year olds. It feels like the prime is really 16-25. Reaction times in traditional sports are not as important, and hands are one of the worst things to wear out. More parts != more wear out. There's a reason why there are (general) physical therapists and physical therapists who specialize in hands. Hands are incredibly complex and soft tissue injuries heal very poorly due to lack of blood supply.
I doubt the boredom thing is that different for sports vs eSports. At least with eSports the game is changing due to patches. With sports, the game itself hardly changes.
For citation: see https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal... you can see reaction time starts to drop off rapidly starting at age 25
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#50What's the career progression for streamers and eSports players, anyway? I feel like everyone that does this now is going to be tired of it in 5 years, and then they're just 30 and without a college degree or job experience.
If you're one of the top streamers, with decent financial literacy, you will easily make enough to retire by 30 if you started streaming at say 20.
Nowadays there are financial planners focusing on content creators/streaming talent who will know the specifics of tax structures and advantages, etc. as well.