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Re: Show HN: Decentralized, Mutable, Serverless Torrent Swarm Websites

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Post by toomuchtodo »

easrng wrote: post #18
algo_trader wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, is this suitable for publishing an RSS-like feed which out polluting the world with a new torrent for each atom?

It depends. You an either have your mutable torrent point to the head of a liked list like this: head | |- post.txt +- prev.torrent prev | |- post.txt +- prev.torrent You get the idea. With the not yet widely-supported BitTorrent v2, you can just add files to a new torrent and seeders of the old torrent will seed the files that are also in the new torrent too.

What are the challenges slowing the v2 deployment? Client uptake?

Re: Show HN: Decentralized, Mutable, Serverless Torrent Swarm Websites

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Post by sprash »

michaelscrypt wrote: post #3

How is this different from ZeroNet [ https://zeronet.io/ ]?

Seems to be not much different from zeronet. It even makes the exact same mistakes like not building in anonymization by default (preferably using i2p). Zeronet hovever is much more mature and has a very active community.

Re: Show HN: Decentralized, Mutable, Serverless Torrent Swarm Websites

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Post by publiush »

mrtksn wrote: post #32

What are some cool websites that I can visit right now?

It's new, so I don't think there are many out there yet. I do hope that this changes the landscape of the ecosystem for 'decentralization.' It's not supposed to be about tokens or organizational marketing hype. First, it's about free speech and freedom of information. "De-platforming" is now extinct. Only then, can you even begin to discuss anything else.

I'm very thankful to WebTorrent, DMT, Handshake and Electron for making things possible.

Re: Show HN: Decentralized, Mutable, Serverless Torrent Swarm Websites

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Post by anchpop »

publiush wrote: post #25
xwvvvvwx wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this literally uses a cryptocurrency (handshake) for domains

There's a dilemma as the magnet links/hashes aren't easily shareable. One option is to create a DMT directory, but this would be centralized. Handshake is the most mature decentralized domain name project, and I opted for it. It uses coins to limit abuse, since anyone can flood a decentralized system. You don't need coins to browse and use federalist. That said, if there are any other immutable DNS systems that aren'…

There’s ENS, which seems on sturdier footing than Handshake to me, but the gas on ethereum is ridiculous

Re: Show HN: Decentralized, Mutable, Serverless Torrent Swarm Websites

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Post by mrtksn »

publiush wrote: post #35
mrtksn wrote: post #32

What are some cool websites that I can visit right now?

It's new, so I don't think there are many out there yet. I do hope that this changes the landscape of the ecosystem for 'decentralization.' It's not supposed to be about tokens or organizational marketing hype. First, it's about free speech and freedom of information. "De-platforming" is now extinct. Only then, can you even begin to discuss anything else. I'm very thankful to WebTorrent, DMT, Handshake and Electron f…

Thanks, the work done is definitely cool but, as with any other decentralization project, I’m yet to find the content use cases.

The only two kinds of successful content types that I’m aware of are pirated movies on Torrent and cryptocurrencies on the blockchain. They all depend on centralized discovery(torrent websites and exchanges).

Which makes me wonder, are these decentralized websites or social media platforms attacking the right problems?

Re: Show HN: Decentralized, Mutable, Serverless Torrent Swarm Websites

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Post by publiush »

mrtksn wrote: post #37
publiush wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's new, so I don't think there are many out there yet. I do hope that this changes the landscape of the ecosystem for 'decentralization.' It's not supposed to be about tokens or organizational marketing hype. First, it's about free speech and freedom of information. "De-platforming" is now extinct. Only then, can you even begin to discuss anything else. I'm very thankful to WebTorrent, DMT, Handshake and Electron f…

Thanks, the work done is definitely cool but, as with any other decentralization project, I’m yet to find the content use cases. The only two kinds of successful content types that I’m aware of are pirated movies on Torrent and cryptocurrencies on the blockchain. They all depend on centralized discovery(torrent websites and exchanges). Which makes me wonder, are these decentralized websites or social media platforms…

If someone wants to make a new kind of torrent website with federalist that doesn't rely on centralized servers, they now can! It would be helpful for me when I download my Ubuntu ISOs. ;)

Re: Show HN: Decentralized, Mutable, Serverless Torrent Swarm Websites

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Post by iskander »

xwvvvvwx wrote: post #23
nynx wrote: post #8

This is what decentralization is about, not crypto.

this literally uses a cryptocurrency (handshake) for domains

I think the evolution of "decentralized" infrastructure will start to bring out a lot more overlap between "traditional" decentralization communities (building stuff like Beaker browser) and some of the useful bits of crypto.

Re: Show HN: Decentralized, Mutable, Serverless Torrent Swarm Websites

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Post by dannyobrien »

iskander wrote: post #39
xwvvvvwx wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this literally uses a cryptocurrency (handshake) for domains

I think the evolution of "decentralized" infrastructure will start to bring out a lot more overlap between "traditional" decentralization communities (building stuff like Beaker browser) and some of the useful bits of crypto.

Yes, I think this is both the biggest opportunity, and the biggest challenge, especially as I think there's been a growing separation between those two communities in the last few months and years. There's so many good ideas and implementations (and investment in harder problems of distributed systems) in the crypto/blockchain/web3 space, and a lot of hard-won experience and genuine applications in, as you say, "traditional" communities. It's just a matter of finding some sort of common ground.

I do think that the https://getdweb.net/ community is a model of how that crossover can work. It's also something I think a lot about at FFDW, which because of IPFS and Filecoin, has its feet in both camps.

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