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Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by nebula8804 »

pitaj wrote: post #443
pessimizer wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Democratic-party affiliated journalists. Even left-of-center journalists. But the Clinton emails were an exposure of attacks against Sanders. It's so bizarre that Glenn Beck's view of the world, making Wall Street Iraq Warriors who ended welfare as we knew it and who put more black people in prison than anyone while deregulating everything into basically Lenin, ate up even the libertarian right.

> It's so bizarre that Glenn Beck's view of the world, making Wall Street Iraq Warriors who ended welfare as we knew it and who put more black people in prison than anyone while deregulating everything into basically Lenin, ate up even the libertarian right. Wat. Is this GPT3 or something?

Looking at his other comments, it seems like it. There is an email in his account. Maybe you should send off an email asking. :)

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by ChrisKnott »

vanusa wrote: post #663
ChrisKnott wrote: post #659

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The judgement relied (in part) on the Diplomatic Note (No. 169), in which the US stated; > "The United States has provided assurances to the United Kingdom in connection with extradition requests countless times in the past. In all of these situations, the United States has fulfilled the assurances it provided." Are you saying this is false? What track record of breaking assurances are you referring to?

What track record of breaking assurances are you referring to? We're going in circles. This was already referred to in my original entry into this thread, 5 or 6 levels up. The fact that the U.S. may keep some of its assurances to some parties (if in fact this is the case) does not obviate the fact that frequently and brazenly breaks many other assurances it makes in this regard. It is this, much bigger fact (which i…

Your original comment refers to the fact that the USA generally treats detainees poorly, not that it "brazenly breaks many other assurances it makes in this regard".

You haven't convinced me why the court is wrong to believe the USA on this point. You just seem to repeatedly state that it's ridiculous without saying why.

But anyway, ultimately we will be able to see whether or not the USA does let Assange (if convicted) serve his sentence in Australia or not.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by nebula8804 »

varelse wrote: post #556
ch4s3 wrote: post #485

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I'm not so sure a Sanders presidency with a Republican congress would have been super different. He promised to also crack down on immigration, impose tariffs, end trade deals, and pull out of Afghanistan. He is/was also very skeptical of longstanding alliances and NATO. With not power to legislate, he'd have likely done some similar things as an executive. Would he have been as embarrassing and corrupt, probably not…

He is a great demagogue but his Congressional record indicates he is not so good at dealmaking. I think he would have been a progressive Perot that got angry a lot but those tantrums would lead to great sound bites. Or TLDR if you're not going to get good at making sausage stop applying for positions at the sausage factory.

There are a lot of things you can do at the executive level that recent administration don't have the guts to do. Declare a medical emergency on account of COVID-19 and bam, there is a provision in the laws that allows you to expand medicare to the entire population. That alone would guarantee re-election. Free all non-violent marijuana prisoners, Forgive student debt. That alone would be a boost to the economy as a generation saddled with debt would get a reset. There are more he could do by executive order that can bypass congress. He will be attacked, but so what? The population overwhelming wants these proposals anyway.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by jonnybgood »

leto_ii wrote: post #528
FredPret wrote: post #492

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> This is nonsense that opens up the possibility to justify pretty much any kind of abuse or atrocity. Hilarious. Do you think there’s big judge in the sky that determines what’s good and bad? There is only human conscience, and powerful people who decide to enforce their conscience. > If the international order was actually rules-based it would have been safeguarded by international institutions, not by a single cap…

> Hilarious. Do you think there’s big judge in the sky that determines what’s good and bad? Mankind has reached a point where it realized that certain rights (natural rights [1]) are not really arbitrary cultural constructs, but more akin to the laws of nature. We're still not at a point where we fully understand the "moral laws of nature" (e.g. I suspect if we stick around as a species we will end up extending more…

> Mankind has reached a point where it realized that certain rights (natural rights [1]) are not really arbitrary cultural constructs, but more akin to the laws of nature.

It's a moral system just like how Big Judge in Sky is a moral system. You're only determining what's good and bad in accordance with this one moral system. And most of humanity does not.

> Again an attitude that can be used to justify anything.

Of course, but only if its in their interest to do so like slavery, or if they believe it's in their interest to do so like committing genocide.

Have you noticed that slavery and genocide have actually never stopped in the world? Because they can do it and nobody can really stop them. See China's actions on the Uyghurs.

> This is simply insane warmongering. Since you throw such threats around casually I suspect you might be a US citizen. I can assure you that to the rest of us seeing this kind of attitude coming from your political/economic/intellectual leaders can be a very scary thing indeed.

You should address the factuality of the statement instead of bordering on an ad hominem. Every hegemonic power in history have exhibited the same characteristics: securing its interests. European powers have done it. Asian powers have done it and are currently trying to do it (China). Americas, Africa, and Middle East too.

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Post by busymom0 »

bladegash wrote: post #83

The framing of Assange as an innocent “journalist” being persecuted for just doing his job is, in my opinion, disingenuous. I do not necessarily agree with all the actions the US Government has taken with him, or their handling of some of the information that was leaked. However, I do not agree that a “journalist” should be able to enable espionage, let alone encourage/incite it. In case my point is unclear, I consid…

By your definition, 99.9% of “journalists” aren’t journalists because they are all activists. Assange is the purest form of journalist, especially considering things he published were mass reported by other journalists who got awards for their reporting.

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Post by busymom0 »

the_optimist wrote: post #651
peppermint_tea wrote: post #479

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100% agree on everything you said. I would just add that all this violence should be shown without any kind of censorship to (in this case) the american people at supper time. I wonder how fast the public opinion would change then...

A pretty smart guy once said, “if wars can be started by lies, perhaps peace can be started by the truth.”

For those unaware, that was said by Assange.

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Post by plandis »

kstenerud wrote: post #204

This should be a sobering view of how the world really works. Above a certain threshold, every veneer of civilization vanishes no matter what the country (some have a higher threshold than others). At this level, only power matters. And the first rule of power is: Don't embarrass the powerful unless you can call on a lot of power to defend yourself. Laws can't protect you; they can be thwarted and bent, and the legal…

Let me ask you: have you actually read the indictment against Assange that the DOJ has published?

You are aware he is alleged to have pointed Manning to which files to illegally obtain and offered to help her cover her tracks, right? These are real crimes — not, as you allege, for embarrassing the US government.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by busymom0 »

atomashpolskiy wrote: post #576

What's with people's opinion on this? E.g. https://www.change.org/p/free-julian-assange-before-it-s-too... Signed by 666,000 people. I even donated 10 bucks or so back in the day to advance this petition. Did UK court take this public opinion into consideration when when ruling the verdict? I'm pissed as hell. What are the realistic options for ordinary people like me to stop Julian's torture?

I don’t think those change dot org petitions ever achieve anything.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by joshuamorton »

at_a_remove wrote: post #667
space_fountain wrote: post #653

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No, sorry I think the analogy was a bit too extreme meant only to show that under some circumstances arresting him would be fine. I think according to Wikipedia the specific claim is > The charges stem from the allegation that Assange attempted and failed to crack a password hash so that Chelsea Manning could use a different username to download classified documents and avoid detection.

Again, the disparity is what interests me. Surely Manning is at as least guilty of "hacking" as Assange. And yet ... different treatment.

In what was is there different treatment? Manning stood trial, was imprisoned, and is now free. Assange has not.
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