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Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

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Re: Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

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Post by walrus01 »

dijit wrote: post #34

Be extremely wary of Oracle free tiers. They offered a free tier and forced me to choose a shape. I chose the smallest of the two “shapes” but it was apparently not free. This was not especially clear until I got my first bill (it was extortionate; like 60eur/mo for 1cpu/2g ram) so I stopped/removed the instance. This did not prevent me from being billed the next month, or the next month. They charged me until my car…

I have mentally trained myself so that whenever I see the name "Oracle", related to any new product, I think "Larry Ellison needs a bigger yacht".

Re: Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

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Post by NmAmDa »

After the trial ends, your ARM instance will get deleted and you will be back to free tier offer. You can use 300$ to try with.

You have to upgrade to paying accounr manually so you are not going to have surprise bill if you stick to free tier always and never upgrades.

But good luck finding arm instance in your home zone because the demand is very high so you have to keep trying from time to time.

There are some people using scripts to automate the instance availability and registration so they can catch the opportunity.

Re: Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

#103

Post by bserge »

smarx007 wrote: post #93
thriftwy wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this even legal? In most jurisdictions, you have to be a government to fine anybody. Sending frivolous charges may be considered fraud and also lead to chargebacks.

In Europe, we don't use chargebacks in most cases. Unless the payment was truly fraudulent (i.e. you cannot get hold of someone who issued the payment or they are not in business of doing things they charged for), you have to use proper legal means of settling the dispute. As you may imagine, the life is too short for things of such kind, especially with multi-billion corps. Anyway, dug up the email: Please note that…

You don't have to use "proper legal means". Which are rigged against you anyway.

Use secondary bank accounts and cards. IBM loses a thousand yoyos, no one even farts. You do, it's a major loss.

Unless you're rich and somewhat of an idiot, of course. It's really hard to get rich playing by the rules.

Re: Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

#104

Post by whitepoplar »

DavidSJ wrote: post #94
dijit wrote: post #34

Be extremely wary of Oracle free tiers. They offered a free tier and forced me to choose a shape. I chose the smallest of the two “shapes” but it was apparently not free. This was not especially clear until I got my first bill (it was extortionate; like 60eur/mo for 1cpu/2g ram) so I stopped/removed the instance. This did not prevent me from being billed the next month, or the next month. They charged me until my car…

Obligatory Bryan Cantrill rant on Oracle: https://youtu.be/-zRN7XLCRhc?t=33m1s

Oh my god, lmao

Re: Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

#105

Post by jjoonathan »

thriftwy wrote: post #70
smarx007 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Had IBM Cloud account for a while. At some point, they started to attach a notice to a monthly $0 bill along the lines: if you card gets declined, we will fine you $25 and if you don't pay in 7 days, we will fine you further $50. Easiest account termination decision I have ever had. I guess the first email from Oracle "we are making routine changes to the T&Cs and our privacy policy" will be the end of my account.

Is this even legal? In most jurisdictions, you have to be a government to fine anybody. Sending frivolous charges may be considered fraud and also lead to chargebacks.

Sure, but Oracle can probably send it to collections and at the very least waste your time getting things fixed at the credit reporting agencies. At most, they'll sell your "debt" to one of those lowlife collections agencies that keeps calling until they get through to family members and then makes veiled threats. It's not legal, but with an unlimited supply of overseas "agents" that isn't really their problem, and it most certainly isn't Oracle's problem.

Re: Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

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Post by tsimionescu »

chrisseaton wrote: post #98
mrguyorama wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except while building the language into a nicer language, they also took the time and effort to rebuild the licenses around it so that it is harder to feel safe using it

> rebuild the licenses around it Isn't it all GPL?

The code is GPL, but the official Oracle binaries are not (since Oracle owns the copyright, they are free to release under multiple different licenses) and they use Oracle's predatory "free" licensing - you când download and run for free for 6 months, but you owe them money if you keep running those binaries after the moment the new version is released. There is no explicit enforcement mechanism - it's up to you to be careful, otherwise their lawyers will notice at some point and bill you for all the times you weren't.

Re: Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

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Post by walrus01 »

social_quotient wrote: post #75
dijit wrote: post #34

Be extremely wary of Oracle free tiers. They offered a free tier and forced me to choose a shape. I chose the smallest of the two “shapes” but it was apparently not free. This was not especially clear until I got my first bill (it was extortionate; like 60eur/mo for 1cpu/2g ram) so I stopped/removed the instance. This did not prevent me from being billed the next month, or the next month. They charged me until my car…

Similar problem to me when they acquired apiary. I was in a free tier of apiary which became a paid tier under oracle. They then charged me for months. I finally had to write a letter (yes snail mail) stating that we were going to report them for deceptive trade practices to the attorney general of Texas. They got back to me after a few weeks. They promised a refund…never got that and it’s just not worth fighting. I…

It's almost as if now that SCO is fully defunct, they are trying really hard to take the crown of most litigious and absurd *nix related software company in the USA.

Re: Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

#108

Post by pikdum »

NmAmDa wrote: post #102

After the trial ends, your ARM instance will get deleted and you will be back to free tier offer. You can use 300$ to try with. You have to upgrade to paying accounr manually so you are not going to have surprise bill if you stick to free tier always and never upgrades. But good luck finding arm instance in your home zone because the demand is very high so you have to keep trying from time to time. There are some peo…

After it's deleted, you can spin it back up again and it'll keep running. Think you can even reuse the same boot volume, but I set mine up again from scratch. Not sure why they delete it in the first place though, maybe due to capacity issues?

Re: Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

#109

Post by thriftwy »

smarx007 wrote: post #93
thriftwy wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this even legal? In most jurisdictions, you have to be a government to fine anybody. Sending frivolous charges may be considered fraud and also lead to chargebacks.

In Europe, we don't use chargebacks in most cases. Unless the payment was truly fraudulent (i.e. you cannot get hold of someone who issued the payment or they are not in business of doing things they charged for), you have to use proper legal means of settling the dispute. As you may imagine, the life is too short for things of such kind, especially with multi-billion corps. Anyway, dug up the email: Please note that…

I always thought that chargeback was the rule of Visa and MasterCard networks, so if you used that for the transaction, you are eligible for it. I wonder what's the extent of my confusion here.

It is also a proper legal procedure.

Re: Oracle Giving Away 4-Core 24 GB Memory Ampere Instances

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Post by laurent92 »

kaba0 wrote: post #77
hereforphone wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They ruin everything they touch IMO (Java came to them ruined already to be fair)

And they do an excellent job as Java’s language steward. Java was revived and has many excellent research and development going for it. Project Loom, Panama, Valhalla came to mind. They also made a low-latency GC. Oracle is not a homogeneous entity.

Sorry, Java is outdated, young people aren’t even interested in learning Java anymore. It’s the “old language”.

Try React. Angular. Anything NPM is sexy. Leave Java for the generation Y.

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