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Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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The histrionics, conspiracy theories and outright lies in this thread are outrageous. The US justice system is not the same as despotic countries like Russia or China. Reality Winner will be released from prison soon. Chelsea Manning, who leaked the info to him, the actual whistleblower who broke the laws, is a free woman. (Could you imagine if Chelsea tried to transition to a woman in Russia or China or other nation…

So it's okay to murder people as long as you're woke?

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Yep. 100% this. After 2016, i went from getting "oh you radical crazy commie" looks wearing a wikileaks shirt to immediately "oh you're a republican, let me guess you listen to alex jones and joe rogan?"

> After 2016, i went from getting "oh you radical crazy commie" looks wearing a wikileaks shirt to immediately "oh you're a republican, let me guess you listen to alex jones and joe rogan?" The flip side of this is that we're apparently focusing on the wrong things. Assange was prosecuted under Trump, now he's being prosecuted under Biden. Who were we realistically supposed to vote for in order to make this stop? If…

The US effectively has one party with two costumes.

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What a different world we would be living in if Bernie Sanders had won the US presidential elections.

I fear we'd just be in another JFK situation. We're only allowed so much representative government.

I'm suspicious that Bernie's heart attack was not natural, but actually the CIA's doing with something like this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/45vsg1/til_c...

(He's old, so a natural heart attack is certainly plausible. But, the powers that be had means, motive and opportunity)

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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> Above a certain threshold, every veneer of civilization vanishes no matter what the country (some have a higher threshold than others). > At this level, only power matters. And the first rule of power is: Don't embarrass the powerful unless you can call on a lot of power to defend yourself. Steven Donziger is another great example of this rule: https://theintercept.com/2020/01/29/chevron-ecuador-lawsuit-... Chevron…

Whatever happened to our benevolent anonymous hacker groups that were supposed to be so organic and decentralized they could never be ended?

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Anne Scoolas had diplomatic immunity, right? That's an entirely different ball of wax. Perhaps Scoolas isn't a good example for your case.

Sure, despite there being a formal agreement that people at that specific base _not_ receive diplomatic immunity. I'm my opinion though, this just reinforces the idea that it didn't matter what the rules were - people in power were sufficiently motivated to justify what they wanted to do, they just needed a way to make it relatively palatable to the general public.

>Sure, despite there being a formal agreement that people at that specific base _not_ receive diplomatic immunity.

At least one UK court disagreed with your interpretation. AND the US and UK re-wrote the agreement after the incident, which strongly suggests the agreement did originally allow families to receive immunity.

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> Above a certain threshold, every veneer of civilization vanishes no matter what the country (some have a higher threshold than others). > At this level, only power matters. And the first rule of power is: Don't embarrass the powerful unless you can call on a lot of power to defend yourself. Steven Donziger is another great example of this rule: https://theintercept.com/2020/01/29/chevron-ecuador-lawsuit-... Chevron…

Whatever happened to our benevolent anonymous hacker groups that were supposed to be so organic and decentralized they could never be ended?

probably got caught hacking something else for fun and profit, e.g. lulzsec

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I'm not so sure a Sanders presidency with a Republican congress would have been super different. He promised to also crack down on immigration, impose tariffs, end trade deals, and pull out of Afghanistan. He is/was also very skeptical of longstanding alliances and NATO. With not power to legislate, he'd have likely done some similar things as an executive. Would he have been as embarrassing and corrupt, probably not…

He is a great demagogue but his Congressional record indicates he is not so good at dealmaking. I think he would have been a progressive Perot that got angry a lot but those tantrums would lead to great sound bites. Or TLDR if you're not going to get good at making sausage stop applying for positions at the sausage factory.

> TLDR if you're not going to get good at making sausage stop applying for positions at the sausage factory.

This is 100% a perfect distillation of a great criticism of Sanders from the left and on merits.

I think it's often also undersold how often he's been terribly wrong about foreign policy in the past and how he almost never walks it back.

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> Well can you elaborate why you think it is? Because "we'll revoke your First Amendment rights if we don't like how you're using them" is a very big step on a very steep and very slippery slope. Assange's defense is likely to revolve around the First Amendment. Weakening it would hurt him, even.

My point is the way founding fathers envisioned first amendment protection, they never foresaw the rise of a small billionaires oligarchs owning large stake of media and newspapers to promote views favouring their narratives. I am not speaking of first amendment of individuals which I think is also under attack by the same group of people, look how the mainstream media would love to cancel certain people they don’t l…

the founding fathers were those oligarchs for their time

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> After 2016, i went from getting "oh you radical crazy commie" looks wearing a wikileaks shirt to immediately "oh you're a republican, let me guess you listen to alex jones and joe rogan?" The flip side of this is that we're apparently focusing on the wrong things. Assange was prosecuted under Trump, now he's being prosecuted under Biden. Who were we realistically supposed to vote for in order to make this stop? If…

The US effectively has one party with two costumes.

That's not it. There are meaningful differences. Which party represents the oil industry? Which party represents Hollywood? It's not the same party.

The real problem is, which party represents the finance industry? Both of them. Which party is the party of small business? Neither of them. Strong antitrust enforcement? Reducing the scope of wasteful bureaucracy, as distinct from regulatory capture? It's not on the ballot.

How do we fix it? Maybe start here:

https://www.starvoting.us/

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