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Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by darkerside »

yesbut wrote: post #153
darkerside wrote: post #150

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Editors/publishers exercise judgement and take responsibility for what they put out into the world. AFAICT, Assange's best argument for his innocence is that he bears no responsibility because... he neither took nor accepts any responsibility.

I'm pretty sure it is everyone's responsibility to inform the world about war crimes when that information is brought to our attention.

Everyone is responsible for everything that is unacceptable, but it doesn't really help to try to enforce that.

Scoping to a reasonable level, publishers' primary job is to review and filter information for quality, safety, and fitness for mass consumption. Assange and WikiLeaks explicitly do not do that. At best, they are a distributor.

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Post by kingcharles »

pmyteh wrote: post #16
supergirl wrote: post #9

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there is no way he will ever be free. it's just 1 man vs multiple governments. US gov is in no rush to bring it to trial. they'll keep him in solitary to die waiting for a trial that will never come

He's entitled to a trial within 70 days of his first appearance in the US, if he demands one. Speedy Trial Act of 1974.

LOL. I've been waiting almost 9 years on a 120 day Speedy Trial. While you are 100% technically correct (minus COVID extensions), the defense team will need a bunch of extensions to go through everything and file motions. And that is where the delays will come from - the prosecutor and judge will make sure any motions take years to process and he'll languish in jail for infinity.

He won't get a bond either because of all the stuff that happened with the Bolivian Embassy.

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Post by harry8 »

Ma8ee wrote: post #347
harry8 wrote: post #288

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Just to nitpick right back at you, if Assange had not published his journalism and its source materials you'd never had heard of him and he would not qualify as famous. So that makes him a world famous journalist. The idea that Trump is famous for playing golf is risible is your point but it does not apply here. There is nothing else that gained Assange fame other than publishing more scoops than any other journalist…

I knew him as the founder and director of Wikileaks, and that Wikileaks collaborates with a number of publications to get the content of some classified information known to the general public. I didn't know that Julian Assange wrote much himself and in similar fashion worked directly as a journalist. So I'd say that at least one person (me) knew about him without knowing him as a journalist. Your last sentence make…

The reason you heard of Wikileaks and Assange isn't for golf. It is for publishing journalism and in particular journalism containing a vast number of journalistic scoops. So many that it catapulted him to international fame.

If you believed wikileaks and Assange were famous for golfing or hacking or leaking or baking pie I have sympathy because the smears on what they did and do have been as relentless as they have been obviously false, (one example that won't go away: "he's a leaker who never actually leaked anything but instead published leaks like the New York Times does which makes him a leaker").

Now you know better. He's a worlds famous journalist and publisher. Without publishing and journalism you don't know him from a bar of soap.

Another, separate point worth making. You don't have to like /him/ and support /him/ to support his rights which are also every person engaging in journalisms rights and also /your/ rights. You don't have to hate a government or a nation to oppose when it overreaches. This is a pretty big overreach.

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Post by iechoz6H »

seanw444 wrote: post #377
vbezhenar wrote: post #251

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There are countries which do not bend before others. Russia, China, Iran to name a few examples. They can protect those fleeing from the West. Just like West can protect people from those countries. World is not unipolar.

Can't imagine why anyone would want to run to China to hide from the U.S. of all places, in this scenario. "I'm going to flee from one dystopian state, to another even more dystopian/technocratic/autocratic state!"

I'm not sure technocratic means what you think it means:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/technocr...

i.e it's a net positive to have a technocratic state, deferring decision making to those with the technical skills to do it.

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Post by mafuy »

jollybean wrote: post #295
kstenerud wrote: post #204

This should be a sobering view of how the world really works. Above a certain threshold, every veneer of civilization vanishes no matter what the country (some have a higher threshold than others). At this level, only power matters. And the first rule of power is: Don't embarrass the powerful unless you can call on a lot of power to defend yourself. Laws can't protect you; they can be thwarted and bent, and the legal…

This is ridiculous. Assange is alleged to have cooperated with a member of the US forces to release gigabytes of diplomatic cables etc. - which is possibly a crime. In all but rare cases, you absolutely do not have the right to break into systems of national security and release arbitrary information under the guise of 'journalism'. His extradition is perfectly rational, legal and judicially legitimate. The Abu Garib…

He did significant help in showing a major war crime that was covered up. That is, without doubt, more important.

As a journalist, you sometimes have to jump a fence - that is generally, and legally, accepted. Else writing 'do not view or publish' on your crime diary would be sufficient to conceal it.

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Post by realce »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #373
realce wrote: post #163

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> Are foreigners allowed to hack military networks in your country? Yes, it happens all day every day. Assange didn't even "hack" anything, he allegedly helped educate Manning, no different than a text file or a 2600 article. Manning committed the crime, she was the one bound by US laws, not Assange. We could hand over every journo who has aided classified foreign information being published in US media, it's the sam…

Assange received a hashed password and said he passed it onto his "LM guy" He later asks for the status on the hash. Do reporters usually help people break the law?

> Do reporters usually help people break the law?

Truthfully that question is hard to answer, you must be specific - do you mean reporters helping people jaywalk? Source the law that this Australian citizen ran afoul of. Greenwald provided protection and services to Snowden where the case for espionage is much stronger, we do not consider him a criminal however.

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Post by BoxOfRain »

dariosalvi78 wrote: post #335
BoxOfRain wrote: post #226

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I really hope the scandal around Downing Street throwing raucous parties while the rest of the country suffered under a strict lockdown is the final straw that breaks the back of Johnson’s government. At the very least he’s being extraordinarily dishonourable by going on TV and lying through his teeth to the country about it while bringing in fresh restrictions to keep his hypocrisy out of the news (and fortunately f…

but the populace has got "sovereignty" now, whatever that means...

The cynic in me says that the EU wouldn’t have been able to do much about this anyway, the impression I get from episodes like the Greek debt crisis is that the EU as a political establishment has a similar strain of the disease Westminster has: the idea it’s healthy and natural for a powerful socio-political clique to piss in the eyes of the plebs and tell them it’s raining regardless of the humanitarian consequences. This paternalistic, hierarchical view of society is the source of so much banal evil in the world I think.

The cure in my opinion is to break these cliques up by getting a far wider diversity of human experience into politics, my local MP is a former physics teacher for instance and I have nothing but respect for her especially compared to the line-up of the corrupt on the front benches. We can’t expect the cadre of ex-Etonians who’ve had every advantage society has to offer to even understand the plight of the ordinary person much less empathise and use their power to do something about it.

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Post by antihero »

ben_w wrote: post #117
iso1631 wrote: post #91

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What a crazy world where Theresa May is deemed to be a good home sec. I wonder how much pressure the Lib Dems put on her.

Seeing how much she changed from Home Secretary to Prime Minister, I think the problem is with the office rather than the person.

If you are Home Secretary your job is basically to be a humungeous authoritarian piece of shit, because if something happens due to the country's security being breached in whatever manner, your head is on the chopping block.
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