We are creating really shameful times. History will not judge us lightly.
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Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
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Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
These espionage charges aren't about "Hillary's emails". https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/05/28/indictment...
I am not talking about Hillary's emails. He leaked diplomatic cables. [1] https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wikileaks-releases-classifie...
Which revealed war crimes.
Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
#233To fully appreciate the context: - he’s not a us citizen - none of the “crimes” happened on US soil - he’s a world famous journalist with prior work - was charged with bogus crimes in Europe in an attempt to arrest him. All dropped - the person who stole the files he released is already free and the tax payers paid for their transition
To fully appreciate the context; Americans rely on cheap labor to have nice stuff
Don’t see any of you organizing when the context is “how I’m benefiting from immorality.”
I’ll take high minded individuals seriously when they take themselves seriously
You’re all just meatbags with electricity and bullshit running through you
Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
#234This was inevitable to anyone who read the original ruling. What I said 11 months ago: " actually don't think this is such great news for him. Extradition was specifically blocked on the grounds of a particular regime he might be subjected to (to be fair, probably the only legal grounds on which he had any chance of succeeding). That leaves the US with a way out if they want to proceed with the extradition - guarante…
I don't know how other countries deal with treaties, but the USA tends to ignore all the treaties it has signed unless it has also created a statute in federal or state law to enforce it.
Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
#235To fully appreciate the context: - he’s not a us citizen - none of the “crimes” happened on US soil - he’s a world famous journalist with prior work - was charged with bogus crimes in Europe in an attempt to arrest him. All dropped - the person who stole the files he released is already free and the tax payers paid for their transition
none of these things matter when charging someone with a crime? non-citizens are charged for hacking from foreign countries all the time. You’re also making an unwarranted dig at trans people.
Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
#236To fully appreciate the context: - he’s not a us citizen - none of the “crimes” happened on US soil - he’s a world famous journalist with prior work - was charged with bogus crimes in Europe in an attempt to arrest him. All dropped - the person who stole the files he released is already free and the tax payers paid for their transition
> “he’s a world famous journalist with prior work”
That’s a claim not a fact. It’s also possible he was an asset for a hostile intelligence service posing as a journalist.
I’m not normally one to side with Mike Pompeo, but I agree with his assessment on this one:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/13/us/politics/mike-pompeo-c...
“‘WikiLeaks walks like a hostile intelligence service and talks like a hostile intelligence service,’ Mr. Pompeo said.”
Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
History gets rewritten constantly. An example: Julius Caesar, hero, martyr or villain? Ask an Italian or a French, probably two different versions. But also ask to an Italian 50 years ago (probably a hero, maybe even a martyr) or today (maybe a war criminal to be judged in the International Court of Justice.) Of course a correct judgement should apply the mindset of when the facts happened.
How does one discern facts from 2000 years ago when all the sources we have are knowingly biased in one direction?
The answer is in the question. From sources.
Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
#238To fully appreciate the context: - he’s not a us citizen - none of the “crimes” happened on US soil - he’s a world famous journalist with prior work - was charged with bogus crimes in Europe in an attempt to arrest him. All dropped - the person who stole the files he released is already free and the tax payers paid for their transition
- the CIA considered (and possibly attempted) targeting him for kidnapping/assassination https://news.yahoo.com/kidnapping-assassination-and-a-london...
I don't see how the court can say he's not in danger of ill treatment by US given that fact alone.
Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
#239To fully appreciate the context: - he’s not a us citizen - none of the “crimes” happened on US soil - he’s a world famous journalist with prior work - was charged with bogus crimes in Europe in an attempt to arrest him. All dropped - the person who stole the files he released is already free and the tax payers paid for their transition
As a non-US citizen, that's what I find most troubling about this. Change the countries and it's immediately apparent how absurd it is: Imagine a US citizen living in Mexico exposed some Peruvian state secrets (doing something which isn't a crime in Mexico), and now Peru is applying pressure to extradite the guy. Chances are everybody involved would laugh in Peru's face, so why does the UK entertain this in Assange's…
> As a non-US citizen, that's what I find most troubling about this.
Extradition isn't unique to the United States, though. It's a common feature of most large country's legal systems.
This doesn't mean that any country can prosecute foreign people with arbitrary laws at their leisure, though. Most extradition agreements would require that the offense be a crime in both countries, for example, and require a reasonable expectation that the punishment will be proportional to the crime (i.e. not petty political retribution).
In your US-Mexicon-Peru example, Mexico would indeed be likely to hand over the US citizen to Peru if (and only if) the accused criminal act was a crime in both countries. Mexico has additional constraints that would forbid the extradition if the death penalty was a likely outcome, but if the likely sentence was a prison term, the evidence was sufficient, and the crime was reasonably serious then the person would be on their way.
Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
#240The framing of Assange as an innocent “journalist” being persecuted for just doing his job is, in my opinion, disingenuous. I do not necessarily agree with all the actions the US Government has taken with him, or their handling of some of the information that was leaked. However, I do not agree that a “journalist” should be able to enable espionage, let alone encourage/incite it. In case my point is unclear, I consid…
"However, I do not agree that a “journalist” should be able to enable espionage" "Espionage" like publishing warcrimes. "I consider setting up a website purely designed to encourage leaking of potentially classified information and assisting with the ability to do so as being no different than any other criminal conspiracy" Transparency is a government duty. It is a shame but totally justified that private citizens h…
"Yet given how the events turned out it seems that he was right. He was hiding in the embassy in fear that they would try to send him to the US."
If only we could all flee when faced with consequences for breaking laws that we disagree with.
"Transparency is a government duty. It is a shame but totally justified that private citizens have to 3nforce it. As for "criminal", sounds like yet another victimless crime. If anything they are exposing crimes."
There are absolutely reasons for state secrecy and the breadth of information crossed a line between what was necessary for informing the public, versus damaging to the diplomatic relations and ability to conduct diplomacy with much of the rest of the world.
"Thank you for disclosing that. How many people did you kill (directly or indirectly) and why didn't you try to expose warcrimes?"
Oh, goodness. Thanks for adding to taking the time to provide your perspective and add to the discussion.