Wish he revealed the secrets of China or Russia, not the United States.
He is in jail, he can't.
And the right thing to do is to denounce evil as it comes. Journalism is a requirement for democracy.
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#162Surely he has some sort of a dead man's switch aka doomsday files that US doesn't want out there, there was something about encrypted 'insurance' files. I don't think US is doing it out of principle, they want to have a deal with him. Or maybe that data is no longer relevant or was a bluff to begin with.
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#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
Reality Winner and Manning are American citizens. Assange is not. What "games" would YOU play to get out of being extradited to a foreign country for crimes of publishing factual information? Your consolation is that it's only a decade or so of his life in a cage unjustly, no big deal? You think it is the definition of intelligence to submit to that?
>"What "games" would YOU play to get out of being extradited to a foreign country for crimes of publishing factual information?" The crime he is charged with has nothing to do with publication of anything, it's a charge stemming from his help attempting to crack a password hash of military computer accounts to help gain unauthorized access to military systems. Are foreigners allowed to hack military networks in your…
> Are foreigners allowed to hack military networks in your country?
Yes, it happens all day every day. Assange didn't even "hack" anything, he allegedly helped educate Manning, no different than a text file or a 2600 article. Manning committed the crime, she was the one bound by US laws, not Assange. We could hand over every journo who has aided classified foreign information being published in US media, it's the same thing.
The crime of publishing is the truth, not an emotional tale, regardless of the official charges, unless your definition of intelligence is believing the charging documents of the American government as truth.
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#164And this is why I find all the posts around China and why people/company should be ostracised for dealing with them hypocritical.
The hearings would've concluded far more quickly if they we're held in China, that's for certain.
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#165The framing of Assange as an innocent “journalist” being persecuted for just doing his job is, in my opinion, disingenuous. I do not necessarily agree with all the actions the US Government has taken with him, or their handling of some of the information that was leaked. However, I do not agree that a “journalist” should be able to enable espionage, let alone encourage/incite it. In case my point is unclear, I consid…
>However, I do not agree that a “journalist” should be able to enable espionage, let alone encourage/incite it. In case my point is unclear, I consider setting up a website purely designed to encourage leaking of potentially classified information and assisting with the ability to do so as being no different than any other criminal conspiracy.
Your point is pretty clear. You designated exposing war crimes a criminal conspiracy no different from any other.
This view isn't compatible with a belief in human rights and democracy.
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#166There is a lot of "he will be killed" in this thread. I suppose that's not impossible, but it seems remarkably brazen for almost no real benefit to the government.
Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
#167The framing of Assange as an innocent “journalist” being persecuted for just doing his job is, in my opinion, disingenuous. I do not necessarily agree with all the actions the US Government has taken with him, or their handling of some of the information that was leaked. However, I do not agree that a “journalist” should be able to enable espionage, let alone encourage/incite it. In case my point is unclear, I consid…
Complicated.
I feel that an Australian citizen should not expect to be extradited to the USA for publishing information the USA would rather not be published. Still true even if he is an activist, would still be true even for someone genuinely trying to systematically destroy America and American values, if it’s just publication. Free speech etc.
For encouraging Americans to break American laws, which I think is the non-legalese summary of the accusation? I don’t know how I feel. The internet (telecoms in general) breaks borders and jurisdiction in ways that are not yet settled even in my own head.
Fleeing to an embassy definitely looked dumb to me at the time, and still does now. If someone is told to eat oranges, refuses because they are afraid oranges might be poisoned, volunteers to eat apples instead, runs away when someone tries to force them to eat an orange, then gets given a poisoned apple… I still don’t understand why people say this vindicates the original no-oranges stance.
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nono. Only saudi arabia and russia are doing this. US is just following the law. Nothing wrong with that, right?
> Only saudi arabia and russia are doing this Khashoggi didn’t get a public court hearing nor a jury of civilians.
USA play nice only when the odds are goods, abu omar case shows another face
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#169Young people IMHO have no idea what's going on. In one line: Assange in 2010 revealed and gave clear proof of American war crimes in Iraq https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Collateral_Murder,_5_Apr_2010 - now the US wants him dead. That's how imperialism works. Today is a sad day for all freedom and peace lovers. Edit: just to be clear, the perpetrators of those barbarous war crimes, and their superiors, never had to face ju…
"Can't we just drone this guy?" -- about Julian Assange from the candidate in the 2016 presidential election that got the largest share of the popular vote
Unproven.
“I spread misinformation to others without doing due diligence,” phone8675309 said.
Also unproven