We are creating really shameful times. History will not judge us lightly.
History will be rewritten by the victors.
Given rampant climate change, foreign debt crisis and sinking middle class, it doesn't sound like 'we' will be the victors
Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
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#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
History will be rewritten by the victors.
History gets rewritten constantly. An example: Julius Caesar, hero, martyr or villain? Ask an Italian or a French, probably two different versions. But also ask to an Italian 50 years ago (probably a hero, maybe even a martyr) or today (maybe a war criminal to be judged in the International Court of Justice.) Of course a correct judgement should apply the mindset of when the facts happened.
I hear you, but why do we have to reduce this guy, of all people, to mere labels. Just reading story of him coming to power makes you gasp in awe at the sheer force of will and confidence that you are being destined for something greater.
I dunno, I just like dislike this kind of, whats the word, reductionist approach to a human being. Million things made Julius the man that he was. If he ever had avocados, would we consider him proto-vegan?
edit: I am only jesting.
Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
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Reality Winner and Manning are American citizens. Assange is not. What "games" would YOU play to get out of being extradited to a foreign country for crimes of publishing factual information? Your consolation is that it's only a decade or so of his life in a cage unjustly, no big deal? You think it is the definition of intelligence to submit to that?
>"What "games" would YOU play to get out of being extradited to a foreign country for crimes of publishing factual information?" The crime he is charged with has nothing to do with publication of anything, it's a charge stemming from his help attempting to crack a password hash of military computer accounts to help gain unauthorized access to military systems. Are foreigners allowed to hack military networks in your…
The US does not have an extradition treaty with Iran, so no, they will not extradite folks there.
I do hope the US files charges against Israeli hackers who have targeted American organizations though. No country should get a free pass.
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#134Lock him up and throw away the key, he’s a sex offender
Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
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These espionage charges aren't about "Hillary's emails". https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/05/28/indictment...
I am not talking about Hillary's emails. He leaked diplomatic cables. [1] https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wikileaks-releases-classifie...
He leaked war crimes.
Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
History will be rewritten by the victors.
History gets rewritten constantly. An example: Julius Caesar, hero, martyr or villain? Ask an Italian or a French, probably two different versions. But also ask to an Italian 50 years ago (probably a hero, maybe even a martyr) or today (maybe a war criminal to be judged in the International Court of Justice.) Of course a correct judgement should apply the mindset of when the facts happened.
"correct judgement should apply the mindset of when the facts happened"
That doesn't sound right either, we 'as in the himan race' done some fucked up shit because at the time it was cobsidered the right thing to do
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#137The US is murdering international journalists.
Nono. Only saudi arabia and russia are doing this. US is just following the law. Nothing wrong with that, right?
Obama droned them. The Judge Dredd of Presidents:
Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
#138We are creating really shameful times. History will not judge us lightly.
As Frank Herbert said: "History is written by the historians". And they are part of the system. Just look at history books which are thought in schools.
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Assuming he gets to trial, and has lawyers that understand how to use the media, I think it may be difficult to convince the entire jury to prosecute. Rehashing US war crimes, which would certainly come up, won't be great for the prosecution either.
The jury will be sequestered to avoid media influence. This is common practice in high-profile cases. The judge will set firm boundaries for what the jury can and cannot consider in their deliberations and while the jury is actually free to use any criteria they want, it will be very heavily implied that they cannot. The court will do everything in their power to make the jury believe they must convict based on the e…
The media work starts before the trial starts.
Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
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Assuming he gets to trial, and has lawyers that understand how to use the media, I think it may be difficult to convince the entire jury to prosecute. Rehashing US war crimes, which would certainly come up, won't be great for the prosecution either.
Almost 50% of Americans voted for Trump. Almost 50% did it again a second time. It's not that Voting for Trump is in any way related to being against Assange (It's my understanding that Wikileaks is well liked within that community), but I've learned to to speculate on what Americans might do. I've taken to just expecting the worst possible outcome from any decision.
Right, but juries don't convict on a majority.