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Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by shkkmo »

tyingq wrote: post #61
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No way a common jury finds him guilty I wish I could still have your faith in my fellow countrymen. Sadly I believe yours won't survive this trial.

Assuming he gets to trial, and has lawyers that understand how to use the media, I think it may be difficult to convince the entire jury to prosecute. Rehashing US war crimes, which would certainly come up, won't be great for the prosecution either.

> Rehashing US war crimes, which would certainly come up, won't be great for the prosecution either.

Assuming the judge doesn't block that line of argument.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by mcv »

kome wrote: post #13

Young people IMHO have no idea what's going on. In one line: Assange in 2010 revealed and gave clear proof of American war crimes in Iraq https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Collateral_Murder,_5_Apr_2010 - now the US wants him dead. That's how imperialism works. Today is a sad day for all freedom and peace lovers. Edit: just to be clear, the perpetrators of those barbarous war crimes, and their superiors, never had to face ju…

> just to be clear, the perpetrators of those barbarous war crimes, and their superiors, never had to face justice.

This is the big one. I can totally see how Assange handled some of the data irresponsibly, and I can understand if he deserves a firm slap on the wrist for that. But they're asking for 175 years for this, while the war crimes he reported on go unpunished, and that is the real injustice here.

The US clearly doesn't care about war crimes anymore, but it does not tolerate criticism of crimes committed in service of the government.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by bladegash »

The framing of Assange as an innocent “journalist” being persecuted for just doing his job is, in my opinion, disingenuous.

I do not necessarily agree with all the actions the US Government has taken with him, or their handling of some of the information that was leaked.

However, I do not agree that a “journalist” should be able to enable espionage, let alone encourage/incite it. In case my point is unclear, I consider setting up a website purely designed to encourage leaking of potentially classified information and assisting with the ability to do so as being no different than any other criminal conspiracy.

Further, I am of the opinion, being someone who was quite literally in Afghanistan when he leaked the information he did, that any probative value of the information Manning leaked was overshadowed by the indiscriminate way in which it was done.

Assange is an activist, not a journalist. He should not be treated as such and much of the consequences he suffers now (e.g., confinement during appeal) is directly related to his own actions (e.g., fleeing to an Embassy).

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by delusional »

tyingq wrote: post #61
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No way a common jury finds him guilty I wish I could still have your faith in my fellow countrymen. Sadly I believe yours won't survive this trial.

Assuming he gets to trial, and has lawyers that understand how to use the media, I think it may be difficult to convince the entire jury to prosecute. Rehashing US war crimes, which would certainly come up, won't be great for the prosecution either.

Almost 50% of Americans voted for Trump. Almost 50% did it again a second time.

It's not that Voting for Trump is in any way related to being against Assange (It's my understanding that Wikileaks is well liked within that community), but I've learned to to speculate on what Americans might do.

I've taken to just expecting the worst possible outcome from any decision.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by jtdev »

sleepysysadmin wrote: post #51
the_optimist wrote: post #27

The US is murdering international journalists.

>The US is murdering international journalists. The USA is in 4 ongoing wars crossing 3 different administrations. The USA likes killing international people.

Raytheon approves!

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by bostik »

randomNumber7 wrote: post #56
the_optimist wrote: post #27

The US is murdering international journalists.

Nono. Only saudi arabia and russia are doing this. US is just following the law. Nothing wrong with that, right?

In other news, journalism is now an international crime and a capital offense.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by iso1631 »

peppermint_tea wrote: post #4

relevant : https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/11/30/assange-and-th... Seems like the "assurances" given by the U.S should not be taken seriously. Previous actions speak (or should I say shout) much louder than words. P.S : Adding "FREE JULIAN ASSANGE" to my personal website, I encourage everyone to do the same

Is that one free with every order?

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by [deleted] »

bladegash wrote: post #83

The framing of Assange as an innocent “journalist” being persecuted for just doing his job is, in my opinion, disingenuous. I do not necessarily agree with all the actions the US Government has taken with him, or their handling of some of the information that was leaked. However, I do not agree that a “journalist” should be able to enable espionage, let alone encourage/incite it. In case my point is unclear, I consid…

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Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by vinay427 »

hutzlibu wrote: post #25
janmo wrote: post #5

Will he be tried by a common jury or a military one? No way a common jury finds him guilty.

"No way a common jury finds him guilty." Quick search for numbers show: "53% of Americans say Julian Assange should be extradited to America" https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20...

Exactly, with this relatively low support for extradition it would be surprising to see a jury conviction. And that's with abuse of the jury selection process, presumably in both directions.
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