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U.S. State Department phones hacked with Israeli company spyware

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Re: U.S. State Department phones hacked with Israeli company spyware

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True, but what I've done should say a lot about humans in general right? I'm told I'm human, after all.

No, you can't generalize like that.

I think the point the employee was making was that there is a lot of financial desperation among TSA employees, and also minimal supervision. This is pretty well-documented in the news media as well.

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There is no military danger Europe would need protecting from. The only thing US is subsidising is itself: all those trillions go directly back to US and benefit US, not Europe.

no military danger aprart from Russia and China I agree. And perhaps Iran/Turkey etc. Other than that the EU is super secure.

China has no military interests in Europe at all. Russia could have, but has no economy to pull this off, and won’t have in foreseeable future.

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> This wasn't done by NSO knowingly. In the past month or so, there was a front page story on HN about NSO and a journalist, detailing evidence that NSO-controlled servers served up the exploit to the journalist's phone. This suggests that the NSO group has less of an arms-length relationship with their clients than they let on. It seems that at least for some clients, they're running some variant on exploits-as-a-se…

That still doesn't mean they knew about this. How would they even know it were American phones? Its very possible it were some IPhone with a Ugandan sim card. How do you know who's using it - do the Ugandans tell you? It's a very real possibility NSO servers simply show some Ugandan number. I have no more knowledge on this than anyone here but I don't find it realistic NSO would take this chance.

I didn't say that they knew. I was saying "This wasn't done by NSO knowingly." isn't necessarily true. I think I was pretty clear about the fuzziness of the evidence as it relates to this specific case.

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> I dont really give a crap about NSO. Then why -- assuming for the moment that the GP is correct -- is the majority of your comments about defending them?

I have a problem with the demonization of Israel going on.

Funny, the rest of us are "demonizing" evil spyware and the evil military-industrial complex that uses it. If you see that as "demonizing Israel", that must mean that for you Israel is synonymous with evil spyware and the military-industrial complex. The rest of us can see that they're two different things.

Why do you have such a negative view of Israel; isnt that a bit anti-Semitic?

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I have a problem with the demonization of Israel going on.

Funny, the rest of us are "demonizing" evil spyware and the evil military-industrial complex that uses it. If you see that as "demonizing Israel", that must mean that for you Israel is synonymous with evil spyware and the military-industrial complex. The rest of us can see that they're two different things. Why do you have such a negative view of Israel; isnt that a bit anti-Semitic?

Yes, funny.

Re: U.S. State Department phones hacked with Israeli company spyware

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Funny, the rest of us are "demonizing" evil spyware and the evil military-industrial complex that uses it. If you see that as "demonizing Israel", that must mean that for you Israel is synonymous with evil spyware and the military-industrial complex. The rest of us can see that they're two different things. Why do you have such a negative view of Israel; isnt that a bit anti-Semitic?

Yes, funny.

I'm happy that you at least can see the humour in your weird attitude.

Re: U.S. State Department phones hacked with Israeli company spyware

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Speak plainly. Are you suggesting this is a company being unfairly singled out just because it's Israeli?

It being Israeli is definitely a big part of why this story is so huge. Why do you think it's making huge headlines then - what's your theory? The fact that 8 American diplomats got their phones hacked?

Because they are amoral pieces of shit who'll sell to dictatorships and use state export regulations as a fig leaf. Because they fight back, lobbying in an attempt at regulatory capture. Because of how many innocent people's phones their software has provably ended up on. Because it's so closely connected with state funded and trained hackers from Unit 8200. Because they lie, simultaneously denying involvement, yet, disabling the relevant accounts. Just a theory.

Follow the industry long enough and you'll know how Hacking Team (Italy), Finfisher (Germany), Gamma International (UK), smaller and larger firms have rightfully attracted their fair share of condemnation. Journalists pile on when a story gains momentum, this round was started by the published list of targets and Citizen Lab. We can't call this anti-semitism yet.

Defending it just because it's Israeli would be as unjustifiable as attacking it just because it's Israeli.

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Concisely: AQ runs Afghanistan, now. So, it was difficult to finish your comment.

My understanding is that it's the Taliban, and a cursory check of credible references supports this. That's a group formally alligned with AQ, but distinct from it, again, via credible references. Other active entities include the Islamic State (ISIL / Daesh), and various organisations largely funded / supported and/or organised around Iranian, Syrian, and Palastinian interests. Please note that this is not an area o…

> That's a group formally alligned with AQ, but distinct from it, again, via credible references.

Actual "formally", or "formerly" (or both)?

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