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After working at a startup, I'll never work at a big company again

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Re: After working at a startup, I'll never work at a big company again

#21
I definitely prefer startups. But let's try to be realistic about what working for a startup is like.

You don't see many dumb people at small companies, mainly because there is no place to hide. In a small company you need to carry your own weight, and if you don't it is pretty obvious. In a large company it isn't as obvious to find the slacker.

I'm going to assume the author just doesn't have enough experience to realize just how naive this is. Startups employ dummies all the time, and you can't tell because everyone is too busy to pay attention, they're good at playing politics, they're friends with one of the founders, or they are one of the founders. And yes, sometimes these startups are successful in spite of that one or two idiots.

Working for a big company has a different feel to it, and you normally have to worry about office politics and other things that you don't have to worry about in a small company.

Well, if "small" is two people or less, this is correct. But politics comes into play whenever you have 3 or more people. Granted, the politics may be easier to understand and manage, but they're much more ugly than in a big company.

In short, it sounds like the author found a good startup to work for, which is usually better than most BigCos. But it's all downhill from there. If the author stays in the startup game for long enough, I guarantee he'll work for a company that will make him miss BigCos and their rules (some of which benefit the employee).

Re: After working at a startup, I'll never work at a big company again

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There's no office politics in a micro company as there's no point, one person often has absolute power. And even if it's not one person, the founders will often trust each other a lot more than you. That's fine until you don't agree with one of them. 1. The case of the mysterious Piggy Bank This caused a lot of problems at a 2 founder startup I worked at where the guy looking after the books was semi-inadvertently sk…

Just to make sure there isn't a cultural misunderstanding here... when you say "tank", you mean the war vehicle that travels on treads, and has a big gun turret on top?

Re: After working at a startup, I'll never work at a big company again

#23
I have seen several such posts on why working in a start-up type environment is great and I do agree with the points in such posts but what is missing is any appreciation of the challenges of running a large company vis a vis running a start up.Comparing a startup to a big company is like comparing a bullet to a freight train and wondering why the freight train can't go supersonic like the bullet.

Re: After working at a startup, I'll never work at a big company again

#24
Add "the government" to that. After working for 6 years at several large technology consulting firms on government contracts - because of that experience I have even less faith on our government getting things done than ever. On top of the normal big company politics and red tape, government contracting adds more frustration with its own policy, red-tape, and frankly, less than enthused employees. It's one thing working for a company that actually depends on making revenue every quarter - its another working for an organization that just needs to check a box in order to receive a budget for the next fiscal year. Never again...

Re: After working at a startup, I'll never work at a big company again

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I think there's another issue. At a small company, everyone (usually) has a stake. Everyone wants to make the company succeed, because having the company succeed gives each individual a huge payout. Beyond a certain size, however, new individuals will not receive huge payouts if the company succeeds. The strategies by which they maximize their individual return now involve politics, power and control. Short of killin…

I worked at a 100+ person startup that exhibited the same behavior. So, sorry, but this isn't exclusive to large companies.

I guess it's all subjective, but 100+ employees sounds big to me.

Re: After working at a startup, I'll never work at a big company again

#26

There's no office politics in a micro company as there's no point, one person often has absolute power. And even if it's not one person, the founders will often trust each other a lot more than you. That's fine until you don't agree with one of them. 1. The case of the mysterious Piggy Bank This caused a lot of problems at a 2 founder startup I worked at where the guy looking after the books was semi-inadvertently sk…

Just to make sure there isn't a cultural misunderstanding here... when you say "tank", you mean the war vehicle that travels on treads, and has a big gun turret on top?

Is YC open to tank startups? :)

Re: After working at a startup, I'll never work at a big company again

#27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to make sure there isn't a cultural misunderstanding here... when you say "tank", you mean the war vehicle that travels on treads, and has a big gun turret on top?

Is YC open to tank startups? :)

Yes, but they should probably start with something smaller.

Re: After working at a startup, I'll never work at a big company again

#28
A lot of good points here but he might not have seen the flip-side, and that's something that can sour someone on startups real fast.

Here are a few that I've run into:

A lack of funding and the headaches that come with it like downsizing, cost-cutting, and just the general absence of job-security.

Having a visionary CEO who is also crazy or incompetent or both.

Having a really nice product and it going nowhere because it's either ahead of it's time or behind.

Re: After working at a startup, I'll never work at a big company again

#29

There's no office politics in a micro company as there's no point, one person often has absolute power. And even if it's not one person, the founders will often trust each other a lot more than you. That's fine until you don't agree with one of them. 1. The case of the mysterious Piggy Bank This caused a lot of problems at a 2 founder startup I worked at where the guy looking after the books was semi-inadvertently sk…

Just to make sure there isn't a cultural misunderstanding here... when you say "tank", you mean the war vehicle that travels on treads, and has a big gun turret on top?

Yes, I mean tanks with treads and turrets :)

I have to note that I'm not sure if he was forcing large dividends through or whether it was actually the company buying them, this is all 2nd hand information from one of the pro-CTOs after all.

The museum itself was only a few miles away from the company premises.

The CTO went on to co-found a b2b online insurance company, still going. There are some classic gaffes from that company over their time too, a whole contact centre full of telephone advisers sitting twiddling their thumbs without a single client for example.

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