Is Edge going to continue allowing blocking of requests?
Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threatening
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Re: Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threatening
#162While a good message that does have actual merit if you know what's happening already, I don't see how this is a legitimate consideration of MV3. The entire argument regarding security doesn't mention any of the reasons Chrome developers cite its security improvement, instead it brings up that Firefox "does good enough already" and that malicious extensions can still get past the review process. the review process is…
I see a lot of people suggesting Firefox, which is great. But also, considering Chrome is basically Chromium, can't we just fork Chromium and keep using that?
Re: Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threatening
#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google has not provided any reason to not include "block request" functionality. And that the super bad faith underlying fact that poison their "reasoning".
There is still "block request" functionality, the change is that it's now declarative. This is the same way it works in Safari, and is (a) more efficient because you don't need to execute JS to evaluate each request and (b) more private because an ad/content blocker doesn't need to be given such broad permissions. There are serious tradeoffs (no request time js makes it less flexible) but it's still very capable and…
If you're going to argue this is better, don't point us to such a clearly worse result.
[0]:https://github.com/el1t/uBlock-Safari/issues/158 [1]:https://adguard.com/en/blog/safari-adblock-extensions.html
Re: Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threatening
#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google has not provided any reason to not include "block request" functionality. And that the super bad faith underlying fact that poison their "reasoning".
There is still "block request" functionality, the change is that it's now declarative. This is the same way it works in Safari, and is (a) more efficient because you don't need to execute JS to evaluate each request and (b) more private because an ad/content blocker doesn't need to be given such broad permissions. There are serious tradeoffs (no request time js makes it less flexible) but it's still very capable and…
Re: Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threatening
#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google has not provided any reason to not include "block request" functionality. And that the super bad faith underlying fact that poison their "reasoning".
There is still "block request" functionality, the change is that it's now declarative. This is the same way it works in Safari, and is (a) more efficient because you don't need to execute JS to evaluate each request and (b) more private because an ad/content blocker doesn't need to be given such broad permissions. There are serious tradeoffs (no request time js makes it less flexible) but it's still very capable and…
> I work on ads at Google, speaking only for myself
I'm doubtful about a person's ability to speak for themselves, when they have been consistently defending their employer on HN for years, at every occasion they got.
Re: Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threatening
#166I know websites track me. I know I get tons of ads. I know websites popup questions about cookies. I know they play videos that follow me around when I scroll. I know sometime in the past that shit would've been under my control. But I suppose I have rose-colored glasses on and that's just the way it is. After all, I remember blink tags.
Re: Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threatening
#167Thank you to the author for getting to the point: conflict of interest. Google cannot represent ("protect") users and sell to advertisers at the same time. No amount of blog posts/marketing/propaganda/arguing in forums can change that. Advertisers are paying Google for services, users are not. Google's entire racket has become heavily dependent on these conflicts. Google believes it must gain/preserve "user trust". Google wants users to believe it is on their side. That is what con arists must do.
Remember when other browsers announced they would not adopt FLoC. Websites also announced they would disable it as a courtesy for users through use of the Permissions-Policy response header.
https://wordpress.org/support/topic/add-interest-cohort-to-p...
https://github.blog/changelog/2021-04-27-github-pages-permis...
https://paramdeo.com/blog/opting-your-website-out-of-googles...
https://scotthelme.co.uk/what-the-floc/
DevTools still warns this is an "unrecognised feature". Does interest-cohort=() even work. Perhaps it does but in some jurisdictions FLoC is enabled by default in Chrome. The user has to manually disable it. Assuming the user evens knows what it is.
https://github.community/t/i-have-no-idea-what-the-interest-...
I found the CFTC, for example, has a nice usage of the Permissions-Policy header, better than the Guardian.
www.cftc.gov
permissions-policy: accelerometer=(),autoplay=(),camera=(),clipboard-read=(),clipboard-write=(),fullscreen=(),geolocation=(),gyroscope=(),hid=(),interest-cohort=(),magnetometer=(),microphone=(),payment=(),publickey-credentials-get=(),screen-wake-lock=(),serial=(),sync-xhr=(),usb=()
www.theguardian.com
permissions-policy: camera=(), microphone=(), midi=(), geolocation=(), interest-cohort=()
But really, how much can anyone rely on something like this. Users have no meaningful control over this browser. It is changing all the time, and "features" are tested on different groups of users, without ensuring their informed consent. Sure, a user extension may work now, but whether it works in the future is not within the user's control and, most importantly, Google's interests and the user's interests are almost certain to conflict.
"Google's efforts to limit that access is concerning, especially considering that Google has trackers installed on 75% of the top one million websites."
I have learned to enjoy blocking Google's incessant attempts to phone home. Google is curiously obsessed with TLS, so substituting a self-signed certificate for Google websites can actually be one of several ways to stop these connections, letting them fail at the proxy. It seems Google really does not want users to see what data Chrome is trying to send to Google. I wonder why.
Someone recently showed me an interstitial page they got while logging into Gmail, asking for their date of birth. It was very deceptive. It asked the user to "help us comply with the law" or some such. Of course, it was optional (the cookie had already been sent and the user was already logged in, unbeknowst to her) but there was no indication to that end. It appeared to be mandatory. The user was led to believe she could not proceed without entering a date of birth.
A company with millions in cash reserves behaves like con artist who cannot get a real job. It is impossible for me to take this seriously as business. A massive con. Yes. An honest business. No.
Re: Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threatening
#168The article is not exactly well written. I don't really follow web developments anymore because the web, well, sucks; So, after reading, I'm still not even sure what "manifest v3" is about and why I should care. I know websites track me. I know I get tons of ads. I know websites popup questions about cookies. I know they play videos that follow me around when I scroll. I know sometime in the past that shit would've b…
Going forward extensions in the Chrome Web store will have to use Manifest v3. Which has less capabilities than previous version. Which will stop ad blockers working.
tl;dr. Ad blockers will not longer be possible in Chrome.
Re: Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threatening
#169Wait FF is copying this too?!?
Re: Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threatening
#170> “ It’s also doubtful Mv3 will do much for security. Firefox maintains the largest extension market that’s not based on Chrome, and the company has said it will adopt Mv3 in the interest of cross-browser compatibility.” I don’t understand why Firefox needs to adopt Mv3 for “cross-browser compatibility”. Is this to save extension writers time and effort or is it a mistake in the article?