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Defund the Police meets the crime wave

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Re: Defund the Police meets the crime wave

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Post by throwawaygh »

livinginfear wrote: post #102
reanimus wrote: post #42

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I dunno man, both me and my mom have been mugged before and the police didn't help. Same with when my car was broken into and someone tried to break my front door lock. People make this argument all the time but I fail to see how the police have helped any time I've experienced any actual crime, not to mention so many others. That's not even getting into the politics of who can call the police and how the police reac…

I don't see how defunding the police provides any kind of solution to the problems you mention. I know there's a strawman argument here, do you think that you'll get better treatment from local gangs/militias/warlords, in a society without police? 'Police Abolitionism' can't be taken seriously as an ideology. I'm not white, and I've been the victim of crime multiple times, unfortunately. I don't think the police are…

It's not a solution, but I can buy a nice vacation with the reduction in my tax bill and functionally nothing else changes about my life.

Re: Defund the Police meets the crime wave

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Post by [deleted] »

ybessyehs654 wrote: post #148
scrollbar wrote: post #134

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Reposting my reply to this comment that you reposted ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29504134 ) If I read this article correctly then the author's point is that simply the passage of a bill to be enacted in the future is the cause of increased crime in the present, which seems like a shaky argument to me. Also I'm noticing that the ABC7News article says >More than $17 million will be diverted from the police t…

Again, this does not account for inflation (6.2%)

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Re: Defund the Police meets the crime wave

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Post by scrollbar »

ybessyehs654 wrote: post #148
scrollbar wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reposting my reply to this comment that you reposted ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29504134 ) If I read this article correctly then the author's point is that simply the passage of a bill to be enacted in the future is the cause of increased crime in the present, which seems like a shaky argument to me. Also I'm noticing that the ABC7News article says >More than $17 million will be diverted from the police t…

Again, this does not account for inflation (6.2%)

Also again, I don't see how inflation should apply to police budgets but not other budgets.

Re: Defund the Police meets the crime wave

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Post by tshaddox »

harry8 wrote: post #121
tshaddox wrote: post #76

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I can understand some criticisms of the slogan, but why are you criticizing the slogan in this case when the police were literally not defunded?

Not op. When the call for reform is "defund" and that seems like the wrong thing to do, then people don't support sensible reform. One would imagine that many if not most police officers support some kinds of sensible reform but probably hesitate to support "defunding" their wages and have their and their colleagues jobs cut, which is what "defund" really sounds like. It's a total us and them mentality which is not t…

My point is that it doesn’t make sense to say “you called for defunding the police, we didn’t defund the police, things got worse, therefore your slogan is bad.”

Re: Defund the Police meets the crime wave

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Post by alphabettsy »

literallyaduck wrote: post #120
mejari wrote: post #24

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Except they're still paying for it and the police weren't defunded https://www.ktvu.com/news/oakland-didnt-cut-any-money-from-t...

Threatening to defund the police generally lowers the quality of your existing police. Pretend you run a business and say you are cutting salaries. Employees will look for other jobs or just be demotivated in general. Couple that with an increasing hostile work environment, you have the situation at hand. Do you work as hard when you know management is gunning for your job?

Who created the hostile work environment?

Re: Defund the Police meets the crime wave

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Post by atweiden »

terminatornet wrote: post #67

> I have seen the unraveling over the past year in my own neighborhood. In October, about three blocks from my house, a neighbor was shot and killed in a home invasion. About a mile south in the same month, a 15-year-old girl was shot to death in an act of road rage. And just a few weeks ago, a little more than a half-mile west of me, another teenager was fatally shot. What exactly would police have done in any of th…

Just days ago, Jacqueline Avant, the 81 year old wife of music industry legend Clarence Avant, was murdered in the wee hours of the morning in her Beverly Hills home during a home invasion [1].

Police were able to catch the murderer when he (literally) shot himself in the foot shortly thereafter… during a second home invasion in the Hollywood Hills [2].

> What exactly would police have done in any of these situations to prevent them from happening?

What if threatening would-be criminals with prison wasn’t an effective deterrent anymore? Singapore employs corporal punishment [3] in addition to prison, and I’d be interested in reviewing any studies examining whether swift corporal punishment delivered early in life for minor offenses (e.g. bullying) could be shown to prevent future criminality.

[1]: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-12-01/jacqueli...

[2]: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-12-06/murder-c...

[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_in_Singapore

Re: Defund the Police meets the crime wave

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Post by JamesBarney »

mysecretaccount wrote: post #10

> Defund advocates often claim that police don’t actually prevent crimes, that they only bust the perpetrators after the fact. But that’s untrue. Police presence deters crime[citation provided]. Arresting career criminals takes them out of circulation. And, most important, effective policing bolsters a community’s faith in government-administered justice. Regardless of whether defunding is good/bad for crime, this is…

I didn't downvote but I would imagine it's because the author cited a study, you said the evidence was thin, but you didn't elaborate on how it was thin.

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Re: Defund the Police meets the crime wave

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Post by keewee7 »

throwawaygh wrote: post #139
rafale wrote: post #104

All of this debate is based on the bs idea that poverty breeds crime. When in fact it's a bad culture that does. I have seen places in 3rd world countries much poorer than most poor minorities in the US , and they just lived, helping each other out the best they can. But when the culture praises gangsters, being a "bad bitch" or whatever cancerous crap they brag about these days, then you get the issue of crime. Unpo…

> But when the culture praises gangsters, being a "bad bitch" or whatever cancerous crap they brag about these days, then you get the issue of crime. Funny how upper-middle class kids listen to the same songs and end up working at FAANGs, banks, law firms, hospitals, etc.

>Funny how upper-middle class kids listen to the same songs and end up working at FAANGs, banks, law firms, hospitals, etc.

How many upper-middle class kids listen to Chicago SoundCloud rappers?

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