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Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threatening

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Re: Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threatening

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So I guess someone will have to come up with a turn-key pihole-alike?

Doesn’t https and subsequently DNS over HTTPS effectively negate pi-hole? Honest inexperienced question.

HTTPS doesn't, though DNS over HTTPS does. No one really uses DNS over HTTPS right now though.

Re: Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threatening

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I honestly think that Google underestimated how much they are going to piss off users with MV3. There are thousands of extensions that will stop working and be impossible to build. But also there will be a lot of broken experiences as remote loading is forbidden and fixes will need a new release. Can't wait, but that's a very good opportunity for Firefox as Firefox will become more powerful than Chrome

Or more likely, towards Edge, by virtue of requiring almost no effort to deploy the same set of extensions in a very similar browser in the hands of a company who doesn't require destroying privacy as much as google does to keep making money.

One of the "benefits" to Microsoft of using Chromium is reduced development costs and they're not going to get that if they let the forks diverge too much.

Re: Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threatening

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or more likely, towards Edge, by virtue of requiring almost no effort to deploy the same set of extensions in a very similar browser in the hands of a company who doesn't require destroying privacy as much as google does to keep making money.

One of the "benefits" to Microsoft of using Chromium is reduced development costs and they're not going to get that if they let the forks diverge too much.

Right, but 'we don't support this!' would be a great look when most technical people are already strongly opposed to Manifest v3. I'd call it an easy win, but of course they'd have to maintain that and possibly implement / design their own API's when Manifest v4, for example, comes out... so it's definitely not as easy as it may seem.

Re: Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threatening

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post #81

I honestly think that Google underestimated how much they are going to piss off users with MV3. There are thousands of extensions that will stop working and be impossible to build. But also there will be a lot of broken experiences as remote loading is forbidden and fixes will need a new release. Can't wait, but that's a very good opportunity for Firefox as Firefox will become more powerful than Chrome

In the article, Firefox is cited as intending to adopt MV3 for compatibility reasons. If they indeed do so, I'm not sure how much relief running Firefox will offer from the more evil aspects of MV3.

Re: Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threatening

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I miss the early days of Firefox extensions (circa 2004) where an extension could in very powerful ways completely change the layout/functionality of your browser; when they had near unlimited access to the XUL and could change anything and everything. I used a ton of very useful extensions then. Nested tabs were one of my favorites. These days I've got a password manager, a bookmark checker, and a tab manager I wrot…

The least worst web browsers these days are typically the older Firefox forks that have maintained XUL and powerful extensions. But this class of browsers is rapidly become few and those left are run by... controversial personalities.

Re: Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threatening

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they do that, it will be forked.

Firefox has already been forked multiple times because of decisions from Mozilla, see [Pale Moon]( https://www.palemoon.org/ ) or [Waterfox]( https://www.waterfox.net/ ). Few people use those forks, for the simple reason that what has been removed from Firefox is not game-changing enough to mandate an exodus. However I agree that removing support for uBlock Origin will surely be another story.

> Few people use those forks, for the simple reason that what has been removed from Firefox is not game-changing enough to mandate an exodus.

This is not the reason for me at least to not use it as my main browser.

I recently tested and the speed is good and it is absolutely wonderful to have true full fledged extensions and complete themes.

My reason is that I'm worried if their security is good enough. If we could somehow be sure about that I'd actually happily leave modern Firefox behind for it.

Personally I'm hoping for someone to create a patch set and bulld binaries based on it to re-enable the old stuff, not by letting extensions muck around in the internals but by providing defined extensions points like:

- enable / disable tab bar

- provide your own tab rendering code

- etc

Re: Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threatening

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post #94
post #81

I honestly think that Google underestimated how much they are going to piss off users with MV3. There are thousands of extensions that will stop working and be impossible to build. But also there will be a lot of broken experiences as remote loading is forbidden and fixes will need a new release. Can't wait, but that's a very good opportunity for Firefox as Firefox will become more powerful than Chrome

In the article, Firefox is cited as intending to adopt MV3 for compatibility reasons. If they indeed do so, I'm not sure how much relief running Firefox will offer from the more evil aspects of MV3.

Firefox will not implement all the restrictions: https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2021/05/27/manifest-v3-updat...

Re: Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threatening

#98

While a good message that does have actual merit if you know what's happening already, I don't see how this is a legitimate consideration of MV3. The entire argument regarding security doesn't mention any of the reasons Chrome developers cite its security improvement, instead it brings up that Firefox "does good enough already" and that malicious extensions can still get past the review process. the review process is…

Beneficial in what sense? If manifest v3 is still bad on net, then including chrome's counter arguments makes for bad rhetoric and thus does a poor job of advancing a valiant goal.

Re: Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threatening

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I miss the early days of Firefox extensions (circa 2004) where an extension could in very powerful ways completely change the layout/functionality of your browser; when they had near unlimited access to the XUL and could change anything and everything. I used a ton of very useful extensions then. Nested tabs were one of my favorites. These days I've got a password manager, a bookmark checker, and a tab manager I wrot…

Take a look at http://nyxt.atlas.engineer/ . It's written to be extensible/introspectable, and the extension language is Common Lisp.

Looks like it would have a very steep learning curve.

Re: Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threatening

#100
Mentioning again to the entrepreneurical ones here that I want to pay money for something that works like old Firefox but uses the new supposedly more secure code base.

I pay for IntelliJ so why not pay for the just as important browser if I can get one that I like?

Just don't increase the pricing to Jetbrains level until you have Jetbrains level features.

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