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Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Post by tbrownaw »

NoGravitas wrote: post #57
shmatt wrote: post #26

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> incapable of performing anywhere near the level required to avoid accidents in the real-world. Humans, as well. 38,000 dead and 4,400,000 injured every year in the US due to car accidents. It would be cool to decide on a framework where FSD is tested/approved to be not perfect but better than the average human

> Humans, as well. 38,000 dead and 4,400,000 injured every year in the US due to car accidents. Yes. A society that valued both human life and evidence would ban cars entirely.

> A society that valued both human life and evidence would

... hopefully have the sense to evaluate things based on both costs and benefits, and maybe even beyond just the first-order ones.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Post by tbabb »

clavicat wrote: post #46

You know what would be cool? If you could use driving mechanisms as the game controller, like those arcade racing machines but in a real car. Imagine playing Forza or Mario Kart in your Tesla. Given that it’s all electric, this should be doable, right?

Sometimes it's hard for me to tell when a Hacker News comment is being sarcastic or not.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Post by diebeforei485 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #145
diebeforei485 wrote: post #134

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Nonsense. California High Speed Rail practically killed itself.

> California High Speed Rail practically killed itself. Except it's still actively being built.

Right. Madera to Bakersfield by 2035. This project is a joke and everyone knows it - choosing the route for political reasons, appointing politically connected sham contractors like Tutor Perini, declining the SNCF proposal to run this along I-5 instead, etc.

Texas will likely get its high-speed rail well before we do.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Post by dragontamer »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #136
dragontamer wrote: post #50

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California wrote an idiotic tax credit that gave +tax credits to vehicles that demonstrated a capacity to charge in under X minutes. Elon Musk shows off a battery swap demo on stage to "prove" it, and then grabbed the tax credit. Then he threw away the battery swap demo and never talked about it again. Its a combination of idiotic governance + a conman / liar at work. The government tax credit is a decent idea to spu…

Not true, they did have a real battery swap station just off i-5 (between SF and LA) near Kettleman City. I don't think many people used it, however.

That was only open to select members and required a reservation. It never was a viable model, or even open to public service.

And we all know that swapping $15,000 batteries out for free ain't a valid business model and never will be a valid business model. It was a project designed to maximize the California incentives and minimize the costs to Tesla for obtaining that money.

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I hope that the citizens of California learned their lesson. But even if they refuse to learn, I've learned very much from that episode.

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Post by ashildr »

woeirua wrote: post #12

If the Feds clamp down on this, but not on FSD, then we'll know for sure that we have meme regulators. One of these is marginally worse than having access to a modern smartphone. The other literally drives the car, and has proven repeatedly that it is incapable of performing anywhere near the level required to avoid accidents in the real-world.

In my country you are not allowed to physically interact with a smartphome while driving. The cars entertainment system is not off limits, yet. This will be a problem.

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Post by dragontamer »

slibhb wrote: post #110
hef19898 wrote: post #101

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Well, he can be both. With his conman stunts he is buying time for hos companies to finally achieve something . Sad part is, since something is done, he could just work with realistic timelines. He doesn't, and this results in Tesla et al having an unfair advantage over competitors who are measured against Elon's BS promises. Politicians are probably the worst group to measure against when it comes to honesty and dec…

I've seen every David Mamet movie and Musk is no conman by any fair definition. Politics works like this: 1. Politician "shares a vision" 2. People buy into that vision by voting politician into office 3. Politician never achieves vision but makes progress towards it or fails to The vision can be something like "everyone should be able to go to college," "a good job for every American," "no more homelessness," "healt…

This strategy is called "The old Razzle Dazzle": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW3MIixEps4

Its well known to work. We all know it works, and there are a myriad of examples throughout US history (and maybe even in other countries).

Just because it works doesn't mean its moral.

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Leverage your popularity, start fights in the public, get the common people low-key interested (but not interested enough to actually look at the facts, just interested enough to follow the fun stuff) and give them a show. Suddenly you get a ton of supporters.

Politicians, Lawyers, and yes, CEOs / Businessmen commonly do this. Call it whatever you want, its not something I think we should b glorifying as a society.

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Post by deelowe »

dragontamer wrote: post #59
deelowe wrote: post #56

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It was always 35k with incentives.

The website quotes $4300 in "gasoline savings". A number that's suspiciously higher than I remember before. I wonder if Tesla has been changing the calculation on their "gas savings" to match marketing needs. In any case, "gasoline savings" is not an incentive.

Ok. That's pretty shady.

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Post by y4mi »

rootusrootus wrote: post #137
y4mi wrote: post #108

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and you think 60 miles without disenganging on a freeway means anything? to quote wikipedias statistic from 2012: - the United States had 3.38 road fatalities per 1 billion vehicle-km on its Interstate-type highways, often called freeways.[28] congrats on your 60 miles i guess... only 295 857 928 more miles until your car performs as well as an average human from 2012.

Pretty sure you meant to quote the comment I replied to, because it sounds like you agree with me.

You're completely correct of course. Sorry for the confusion.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Post by dragontamer »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #148
dragontamer wrote: post #142

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https://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-tesla-batter... > A Tesla spokesperson said the Harris Ranch facility is functional, but that battery swaps are only being done on a limited fleet of Tesla cars. > “We are currently running the pilot with a small number of Model S,” said Tesla’s Khobi Brooklyn. “It’s open to a small number of Model S owners.” > What is the point of a Tesla battery swap program that isn’…

Yeah, they invited a few people at first, then opened it to every Tesla owner in California, and basically nobody was interested. Supercharging was fast enough for most people, and it didn't make sense to scale out something that almost nobody was interested in. Another notable change at that time was adding the underbody plate[1] for increased fire safety, which made the swap take longer than it otherwise would. The…

> then opened it to every Tesla owner in California

Nope. Never happened. 200 invitations to one location, and those invited needed to schedule an appointment to use them. Then the project was killed off.

Appointment-only service isn't what "battery swap" was about. It was supposed to be a service that was more convenient than gas stations or superchargers.

But we all know that swapping $15,000 batteries, roughly 1000lbs or more (aka: the weight of an engine lift) in 10 minutes was never really a viable business model.

> Another notable change at that time was adding the underbody plate[1] for increased fire safety

Oh thanks for reminding me of that. The plate that no longer exists on modern models, yet another broken promise of Mr. Musk.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/ppqqwg/15yr_o...

You know, make a blogpost about how awesome Titanium is as a metal / shield, but SEO it away by a few years to make "Tesla Shield" in Google point you to floor mats. You know, to make the public forget about the entire "Shield" episode entirely and the whole controversy about exploding bottoms of Tesla cars.

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Post by JadeNB »

can16358p wrote: post #67
JadeNB wrote: post #62

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> I'd love to see all cars being on FSD and communicating with each other around, dropping deaths (and even minor accidents) to virtually zero though. That sounds like a world that'll be great as long as you're in a car, and terrible if you're a pedestrian or cyclist. Kind of like the world we've got now, except with even more victim blaming.

It can make everything safer for everyone, both cars and pedestrians. If all cars redundantly detect everything around them, including approaching other vehicles _and_ pedestrians, and relay that data to other nearby vehicles, why would it be a nightmare for pedestrians?

"Can" is the operative word there, I think. I don't think that this is how it has to be, just how it will be.

Cars communicating with one another means that they will prioritise QoS for one another, and pedestrian safety will be, as ever it has been, an afterthought—at least as long as there's more penalty for damaging a person's car than for injuring the person themselves.

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