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The biggest crypto lending company is a ponzi scheme

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Re: The biggest crypto lending company is a ponzi scheme

#11

But high yields may be sustainable given that borrowing is expensive.

> it's not like individuals can just borrow at 1% like majors companies can do.

with 200% collateral? I'm pretty sure they can. I don't know what's it's like in hte US, but in the eurozone, long term home loans are around 1% , and even short term consumer loans are between 1-3%

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> It is possible for customers to take out USD stable coin loans from Celsius, under the condition that they provide a Bitcoin or Ethereum collateral of at least twice the value of the loan. How does one provide Bitcoin or Ethereum collateral? Wouldn't you have to give away your private key (maybe in escrow), or transfer coins to them?

You transfer the coins into a contract or a custodian account usually. But yes, they are locked up for the duration aka not yours anymore in the private key/wallet sense.

Also in a legal sense. The Celsius user agreement explicitly states that you are giving your coins to Celsius: you have no legal claim to them, you’re relying on the goodwill of Celsius to return them… meaning if Celsius goes under, your collateral is gone.

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Crypto and NFT is one big ponzi scheme. Who on earth is spending $000,000s on a virtual ship?

I sense it is a case of somebody close to the NFT or virtual world buying the asset and making out it is a great thing and then selling it on quickly.

Many a scam involves somebody from the group buying something so the unwilling feel like it safe.

As always, don't be left holding the baby.

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We keep expecting crypto to die but then again, we still have antivirus software that is spyware (avast), a scammy vpn industry, and a thriving anti vax movement. No matter how absurd it is, it might stick around for a long time now

> We keep expecting crypto to die

Is that the royal "we", or do you mean to include other people that may or may not share your opinion?

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We keep expecting crypto to die but then again, we still have antivirus software that is spyware (avast), a scammy vpn industry, and a thriving anti vax movement. No matter how absurd it is, it might stick around for a long time now

This all true, but avast and the vpn industry are 2 orders of magnitude smaller than the crypto.

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You transfer the coins into a contract or a custodian account usually. But yes, they are locked up for the duration aka not yours anymore in the private key/wallet sense.

Also in a legal sense. The Celsius user agreement explicitly states that you are giving your coins to Celsius: you have no legal claim to them, you’re relying on the goodwill of Celsius to return them… meaning if Celsius goes under, your collateral is gone.

So you're selling your coins for half the USD value, but you have to return the USD at some point anyway?

Why wouldn't you just sell your coins at full value instead of using this "loan"?

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We keep expecting crypto to die but then again, we still have antivirus software that is spyware (avast), a scammy vpn industry, and a thriving anti vax movement. No matter how absurd it is, it might stick around for a long time now

I'm not a huge fan of the the current cryptocurrency scene, but I think it will remain very useful as a medium of exchange and store of value in unstable parts of the globe for years to come.

Re: The biggest crypto lending company is a ponzi scheme

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Is the smallest crypto lending company not a Ponzi scheme? If not, then all crypto lending companies are Ponzi schemes.

This logic doesn't make sense. It's not the size that decides if something is a ponzi scheme or not. So it's perfectly possible for the smallest and the biggest crypto lending companies to be ponzi schemes while the middle is not.
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