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Re: Number of journalists in jail reaches global high

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Dec 09, 2021, 1:37 PM UTC

gadders wrote: post #20

1cvmask wrote: post #3

So we don’t classify jailed and tortured Julian Assange as a journalist even though he broke amongst some of the biggest news stories over the last 20 years. Or that the Trump administration planned on assasinating him. Or that Joe Biden is trying to extradite him on trumped up charges (pun not intended). Or the Black TV reporter Bilal Abdul Kareem from Chicago that Obama tried to kill multiple times: https://www.rol…

Project Veritas was recently raided by the FBI and had material taken as well.

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Re: Number of journalists in jail reaches global high

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Post by bvrmn » Thu, Dec 09, 2021, 1:39 PM UTC

RansomStark wrote: post #12

bvrmn wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russian and Belarus government don't protect their people in any way.

I'm sorry but that is a absolute statement, verging on propaganda. Of course they protect their people. For example there is significant crime in Russia, but the Russian government fields a police force that enforces the laws of Russia, jailing murderers, thieves, etc [0]. Of course there is corruption, of course some are above the law (but then is true the world over), and you need to play by the local rules, but th…

> You also have to remember that the justification for the Russian invasion of Crimea was to protect the minority Russian population living in Crimea.

The only justification was to get votes in future president elections. We call this phenomenon "Crimea consensus".

Current Crimea population have no access to online financial instruments (including totally Russian banking systems) and this summer was a huge crisis with drinkable water. Russian government did nothing.

You known nothing Ransom Stark.

Re: Number of journalists in jail reaches global high

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Post by FridayoLeary » Thu, Dec 09, 2021, 1:43 PM UTC

gadders wrote: post #19

pydry wrote: post #13

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What's crazy about his case is that he was sentenced to more time than somebody who just outright named an accuser on twitter. Leonna Dorrian should be disbarred. What she did was a blatant abuse of her power.

I'm English, and pretty far from Murray politically, but from what I've read in other places as well the Scottish Government, the SNP, and the Scottish judiciary seem very close - probably too close.

The Scottish Government is the most useless, unnecessary body imaginable. The only office less important then that of the First Minister must be the Vice President in the US. It's not surprising that petty officials will abuse their power as much as they can.

Re: Number of journalists in jail reaches global high

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Post by RansomStark » Thu, Dec 09, 2021, 1:44 PM UTC

bvrmn wrote: post #18

RansomStark wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry but that is a absolute statement, verging on propaganda. Of course they protect their people. For example there is significant crime in Russia, but the Russian government fields a police force that enforces the laws of Russia, jailing murderers, thieves, etc [0]. Of course there is corruption, of course some are above the law (but then is true the world over), and you need to play by the local rules, but th…

I'm russian by the way. And we can get arrested for single like in social media. Please don't tell me about propaganda.

I've not see anyone in the UK arrested for a like, but there are enough examples of people arrested for a single tweet, or retweet [0][1][2].

[0] https://nypost.com/2021/02/08/man-arrested-for-offensive-sir...

[1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/euro-2020-arrest...

[2] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-...

Re: Number of journalists in jail reaches global high

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Post by bvrmn » Thu, Dec 09, 2021, 1:44 PM UTC

RansomStark wrote: post #12

bvrmn wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russian and Belarus government don't protect their people in any way.

I'm sorry but that is a absolute statement, verging on propaganda. Of course they protect their people. For example there is significant crime in Russia, but the Russian government fields a police force that enforces the laws of Russia, jailing murderers, thieves, etc [0]. Of course there is corruption, of course some are above the law (but then is true the world over), and you need to play by the local rules, but th…

It's calculated that around 500 people is under arrest in Russia for political reasons. The only thing they did was to express disagreement with current policy.

Re: Number of journalists in jail reaches global high

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Post by smackay » Thu, Dec 09, 2021, 1:48 PM UTC

gadders wrote: post #19

pydry wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's crazy about his case is that he was sentenced to more time than somebody who just outright named an accuser on twitter. Leonna Dorrian should be disbarred. What she did was a blatant abuse of her power.

I'm English, and pretty far from Murray politically, but from what I've read in other places as well the Scottish Government, the SNP, and the Scottish judiciary seem very close - probably too close.

The fundamental problem is that there is no separation of powers between the government and the judiciary as you might find in most (all?) modern democracies. The Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service (COPFS) acts as the governments lawyers and the prosecution service. Most of the accusers in the trial of Alex Salmond, for which he was acquitted on all charges, are close associates of the leadership of the Scottish National Party which are currently in power in the devolved parliament. The risks are clear and obvious.

Re: Number of journalists in jail reaches global high

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Post by ajb » Thu, Dec 09, 2021, 1:48 PM UTC

pydry wrote: post #13

smackay wrote: post #10

Craig Murray, friend of Julian Assange, was just released from a Scottish prison for the crime of jigsaw identification of some of the accusers in the trial of former First Minister, Alex Salmond despite the fact that many journalists from mainstream media had published information that allowed their readers to identify some of the accusers explicitly. So it's not just a problem of dictatorships in second or third wo…

What's crazy about his case is that he was sentenced to more time than somebody who just outright named an accuser on twitter. Leonna Dorrian should be disbarred. What she did was a blatant abuse of her power.

Yeah that judgement was crazy. It has been spun as being about protecting the identity of victims of sexual offences, but I don't believe that for a moment because the judgement contained a detailed account of how you could find the accusers from Murray's articles. So I personally had no idea who they were when I read his article originally, but it was easy to figure out from the judgement. If what they cared about was protecting the identities, the judgement would never have been written that way.

Re: Number of journalists in jail reaches global high

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Dec 09, 2021, 1:50 PM UTC

bvrmn wrote: post #18

RansomStark wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry but that is a absolute statement, verging on propaganda. Of course they protect their people. For example there is significant crime in Russia, but the Russian government fields a police force that enforces the laws of Russia, jailing murderers, thieves, etc [0]. Of course there is corruption, of course some are above the law (but then is true the world over), and you need to play by the local rules, but th…

I'm russian by the way. And we can get arrested for single like in social media. Please don't tell me about propaganda.

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Re: Number of journalists in jail reaches global high

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Post by bvrmn » Thu, Dec 09, 2021, 1:51 PM UTC

RansomStark wrote: post #24

bvrmn wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm russian by the way. And we can get arrested for single like in social media. Please don't tell me about propaganda.

I've not see anyone in the UK arrested for a like, but there are enough examples of people arrested for a single tweet, or retweet [0][1][2]. [0] https://nypost.com/2021/02/08/man-arrested-for-offensive-sir... [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/euro-2020-arrest... [2] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-...

Russians don't have an option to pay fee to be free. Our usual term for "incorrect" speech is starting from 3 years.

Re: Number of journalists in jail reaches global high

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Post by RansomStark » Thu, Dec 09, 2021, 1:51 PM UTC

bvrmn wrote: post #25

RansomStark wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry but that is a absolute statement, verging on propaganda. Of course they protect their people. For example there is significant crime in Russia, but the Russian government fields a police force that enforces the laws of Russia, jailing murderers, thieves, etc [0]. Of course there is corruption, of course some are above the law (but then is true the world over), and you need to play by the local rules, but th…

It's calculated that around 500 people is under arrest in Russia for political reasons. The only thing they did was to express disagreement with current policy.

I'll agree 500 is a lot, but you will find political prisoners all over the world, here is a list of US political prisoners from 2018 [0].

[0] https://afgj.org/politicalprisonersusa