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What I told the students of Princeton

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Re: What I told the students of Princeton

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Post by mrjangles »

krageon wrote: post #6

I think the author has a point to make that is definity valid, but she wraps it up in this hyper-western freedom ideal that says if you conform you may as well not have been born. To me this is a shame, because the argument that perhaps gender politics is entirely too violent at times and could benefit from having more calm adults is a reasonable one. It doesn't really matter if you are a proponent or a detractor, th…

I don't know, I think there are plenty of people out there who aren't angry, you just can't really hear them because they aren't yelling.

One thing I know for sure, the amount of anger someone has is always inversely proportionate to how much they know about a topic. Whenever someone gets angry about a topic I know for sure they know nothing about it and are therefore not worth wasting time on.

Re: What I told the students of Princeton

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Post by WesolyKubeczek »

krageon wrote: post #6

I think the author has a point to make that is definity valid, but she wraps it up in this hyper-western freedom ideal that says if you conform you may as well not have been born. To me this is a shame, because the argument that perhaps gender politics is entirely too violent at times and could benefit from having more calm adults is a reasonable one. It doesn't really matter if you are a proponent or a detractor, th…

She wraps it in terms most understood by her audience which is, well, very Western.

Re: What I told the students of Princeton

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Post by szeptik »

dustintrex wrote: post #3

I would like to be sympathetic to the author's argument, but this article is just riddled with trivially falsifiable inaccurate assertions. > There are books that are never recommended by the Amazon algorithm, irrespective of how well they’ve sold or how likely a specific shopper is to buy them. Or, at least, there’s one such book. I’ll let you try and guess what it is. YMMV, but if I search for "transgender" on Amaz…

> YMMV, but if I search for "transgender" on Amazon.com in an incognito window, the very first result is the author's book.

My understanding of the author's point is that the book does not show up in a "you may also be interested in these books" kind of list, not the result of an explicit search.

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Post by [deleted] »

krageon wrote: post #6

I think the author has a point to make that is definity valid, but she wraps it up in this hyper-western freedom ideal that says if you conform you may as well not have been born. To me this is a shame, because the argument that perhaps gender politics is entirely too violent at times and could benefit from having more calm adults is a reasonable one. It doesn't really matter if you are a proponent or a detractor, th…

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Re: What I told the students of Princeton

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Post by tzs »

dustintrex wrote: post #3

I would like to be sympathetic to the author's argument, but this article is just riddled with trivially falsifiable inaccurate assertions. > There are books that are never recommended by the Amazon algorithm, irrespective of how well they’ve sold or how likely a specific shopper is to buy them. Or, at least, there’s one such book. I’ll let you try and guess what it is. YMMV, but if I search for "transgender" on Amaz…

> This appears to be a reference to Lia (Will) Thomas, who as far as I can tell does not hold any U.S. records in women's swimming

This [1] and some others say that those times that your link says set meet and pool records are also the best times in the country.

[1] https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/12/07/trans-swimmer-lia-thom...

Re: What I told the students of Princeton

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Post by xwolfi »

loquor wrote: post #2

The chilling effect is real. It's disheartening that we are asked to play along with unsubstantiated dogma on topics as fundamental as gender. Has anyone here managed to express opinions like Shrier's in a casual manner without having the reputation take a hit?

Well yeah all the time ! Around me (I know no trans and am not either), nobody seems to care, when I say it's perfectly fine and tolerable people either give 0 fuck or agree. The toilet thing only seems to bother girls, the guys I know dont mind if girls wanna come in ours, even non trans. And I think it's less dogma than sad experience with abusive males on the woman's side.

Re: What I told the students of Princeton

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Post by tzs »

As far as sports go, maybe it is time to stop having men's sports and women's sports and instead have different leagues in a sport be based on performance or measurable characteristics directly related to the sport.

You finish near the top a lot in your league, you get bumped up to the next up higher performing league. You finish near the bottom a lot in your league, you get moved to the next lower performing league.

That could take care of the issue of where transgendered people should compete, and it opens up competitive sports to more people.

Re: What I told the students of Princeton

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Post by HKH2 »

tzs wrote: post #18

As far as sports go, maybe it is time to stop having men's sports and women's sports and instead have different leagues in a sport be based on performance or measurable characteristics directly related to the sport. You finish near the top a lot in your league, you get bumped up to the next up higher performing league. You finish near the bottom a lot in your league, you get moved to the next lower performing league.…

That's one way to get rid of women's sports.

Re: What I told the students of Princeton

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Post by leephillips »

low_tech_love wrote: post #14

Can anyone explain to me why this is flagged and disappeared from the front page? Just curious to understand the process.

I believe if enough people flag a story then this happens. And, sadly, it’s clearly the case that there are a large number of HN members who will flag stories that support a viewpoint at odds with the ideology that they favor, regardless of the quality of the story or the discussion, or its score. It is a way of doing ideological battle by abusing mechanisms that are supposed to serve another purpose.
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