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Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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"Secretly" is well-put between quotation marks, because i kind of recall when those "conspiracy-nuts"(as called by the media, of course) were specifically saying this during that period.

I love how ignorant people can be about this biggest corporation US has.The labour it profits off is not ethical, and a simple search for "safety nets" should be enough to convince one of that.Then again most people don't give a sh1t when they want their new "3D face-unlocked emoji" feature.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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As positive as the tech companies have been for me directly (salary, my own business) and indirectly (investments) more and more I see these stories and the co's behavior and think they all need to be smashed into a million little pieces. It's becoming harder and harder to justify them as a net positive for mankind.

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So, as much as people like to throw shade at Google, we can say that they haven't caved on this. That's a plus for them.

It’s not that they didn’t cave, Google products are unavailable due to sanctions. Google Search for example was heavily modified for the Chinese market.

Aren't they unavailable because they specifically didn't cave though?

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I totally get that people want companies to act with dignity, but the idea that a company, even one as large as Apple, is going to make any sort of difference with respect to China's oddities is wishful thinking. Apple has a business to run. They abide by all sorts of requests in various countries in which they operate. Of course there has to be a line somewhere, I'm just not sure this is it.

We can have a very long debate about that but I think it's beside the point with regards to Apple's CSAM effort. The point is that Apple is inventing a tool that is very amenable to being wielded as a weapon of mass surveillance, and oppression. The maps analogy is that it's one thing for the Chinese government to tell Apple to implement a mapping app from scratch so that it can be used to display bogus mapping data.…

We’ll, what Apple built with CSAM checking is a tool that checks images uploaded to their servers, and only those images, against a digital fingerprint.

There is no novel technology in this. It’s very basic stuff doing a specific thing. It’s in no way a meaningful stepping stone to doing anything else.

If you’re against Apple scanning images uploaded to iCloud for CSAM that’s fine, say that, but it’s no stepping stone. If you’re not against Apple scanning CSAM uploaded to their servers, as they are actually required to do by law, then it’s a non-issue.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Contrary to popular internet belief, hunter gatherer life sucked way worse.

There is absolutely no way at all to verify that claim - considering 'better/worse' entirely depends on the happiness of those individuals. Something we have no way of measuring.

Something like 30% remains from pre-agricultural sites show signs of violent death... sure not a measure of happiness but i'll take safety for starters.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Daring Fireball [1] has another passage from the article which is illuminating with regards to any promises Apple makes about how it will resist governmental pressure to compromise its products, vis-à-vis Apple's CSAM scanning tool. "Sometime in 2014 or early 2015, China’s State Bureau of Surveying and Mapping told members of the Apple Maps team to make the Diaoyu Islands, the objects of a long-running territorial di…

Anyone who has worked in mapping/GIS at a company that sells in China has seen this in action. The "display these islands larger" requests, the obfuscated coordinate system for geo-aligning maps, and other map content regulatory issues[1] all need to be dealt with if you want your map product available in the country. Not excusing it, but every company with maps there is required to do this, not just Apple. 1: https:…

ryandrake your function in this conversation is apologizing for these actions while simultaneously signaling your acceptance. you are more than excusing these actions, you are teaching others to rationalize away the need to be a good person who is kind to others no matter how badly their dictator asks you to treat them. so, ryandrake, i hope you wash all traces of this stench off of your face before you kiss your children and thank god that there are at least some children on earth who have shittier lives, which you just helped to provide to them. you are a terrible human being, and I personally hope you never, ever, forget that fact about yourself.

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I'm not replying to that. I'm replying to your comment. And you now changed it to "College education are not compulsory and free in both countries" which is even more wrong..

>I'm not replying to that. I'm replying to your comment thank for clarify >And you now changed it to "College education are not compulsory and free in both countries" i never change my statement to OP and what's wrong? both countries doesn't offer free College education. one is cheaper doesn't mean its free.

Ok, so you mean "College education are not compulsory or free".

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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You are making a very good point. There's no Facebook, Google, Twitter, Snapchat etc in China. But there are WeChat, Baidu, Weibo, QQ, etc. China is more than capable to clone and/or make its own version of these companies. And these companies will do as the government says. So, I think that's an excellent example to show that tech "boycotting" China does nothing to change them. Separately, you should also keep in mi…

This brings up the long debated question about China and Russia before them. Is it better to have US/Western companies operating with some concessions or better to boycott. I'm still of the opinion it's better to operate with concessions because there is a chance of influencing the local population over time. Otherwise we end up with a completely siloed environment like has happened with parts of China's tech scene.

I tend to agree. The other drawbacks of a boycott are (obviously) the lost revenue, but also creating a vacuum that will be filled with a powerful, state-backed competitor that may some day operate outside of China as well.

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This will be the logical conclusion to every major American corporation unless someone puts a stop to this. If profit comes before everything, then so will China's 1.4B potential market vs US's 330M market.

I imagine you mean T and B, respectively?

Those are population figures

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Daring Fireball [1] has another passage from the article which is illuminating with regards to any promises Apple makes about how it will resist governmental pressure to compromise its products, vis-à-vis Apple's CSAM scanning tool. "Sometime in 2014 or early 2015, China’s State Bureau of Surveying and Mapping told members of the Apple Maps team to make the Diaoyu Islands, the objects of a long-running territorial di…

Does anyone have any insight into the motivation behind making the islands appear larger? I haven't been able to come up with any plausible guesses about what "make the islands look big" would be helpful in achieving.

The “Mine is bigger than yours” decree
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