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Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by andy_ppp »

I personally do not trust China, should we not assume computer hardware made there has invisible backdoors? The security state for example believe 5G shouldn't be controlled by Chinese companies, I'm certainly not sure I really trust what I say on this MacBook Pro, is there a way to prove it's not compromised as everyone says it's definitely not but I can imagine the Chinese suddenly just switching off half the computers in the West in the case of a war one day (say the US defending Taiwan).

If I was them looking to become top of the hill I'd be instructing people at Foxconn and wherever else to provide me with backdoors into most computers sold in the West.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by SN76477 »

ipv6ipv4 wrote: post #50

Daring Fireball [1] has another passage from the article which is illuminating with regards to any promises Apple makes about how it will resist governmental pressure to compromise its products, vis-à-vis Apple's CSAM scanning tool. "Sometime in 2014 or early 2015, China’s State Bureau of Surveying and Mapping told members of the Apple Maps team to make the Diaoyu Islands, the objects of a long-running territorial di…

ever get involved in a land war in Asia

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by 908B64B197 »

arcticbull wrote: post #62
echelon wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Reddit comment [1] on this same article really hit home, > Mr. Cook has watched China's middle class grow to four hundred million while watching the domestic middle class shrink. Like GM, which sells more cars in China than the USA, Apple knows where the market opportunities reside. America needs growth again, whether that's immigration, childbirth and childcare subsidies, or seeking to merge with other democratic…

> ... seeking to merge with other democratic nations (Australia, Korea, Japan, Taiwan). That presumes that other countries want to be part of America. I suspect strongly you'll find that's not the case. Merger then has a more "1812" feeling to it. The only folks tripping over their shoelaces to be US states are Puerto Rico and DC. > America needs to onshore manufacturing of critical chemicals and components. Steel. E…

> I suspect strongly you'll find that's not the case. Merger then has a more "1812" feeling to it.

Ironically, the hardest challenge for the British during the war was to keep their soldiers from deserting to the US. Since there was no way a young British male could legally come to America from the UK, joining the army then crossing into America was their only hope.

Ironically today, the countries named by the GP (Australia, Korea, Japan, Taiwan) all have a net inflow of people to trying to get into the US, mirroring what happened in 1812. The political elites might laugh at the idea of a merger (considering they have a vested interest in keeping power) but it seems to make sense for a lot of their highly educated citizens who decided to make it happen here in America!

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by trasz »

justicezyx wrote: post #91
poutine wrote: post #36

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There is no moral equivalency between the US and China. Stop this right away.

What do you mean no moral equivalency? Are you suggesting one is obviously superior than the other? Judging the behaviors in the 21st century, I think China is morally superior to US? Based on the wars invoked by IS, and the poverty elimination done by China. Obviously China improved Chinese citizens living standard dramatically, while US are doing the opposite across the world.

Sadly, this discussion always goes the same way. You'll see accusations of concentration camps, then countered by the existence of actual forced labour camps (private prisons), then "countered" by being called a weebo. It's a fundamental mental difference between many Americans and the rest of the western world, the american exceptionalism.

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Post by 908B64B197 »

phist_mcgee wrote: post #169
mullingitover wrote: post #97

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> That presumes that other countries want to be part of America. I feel like if there was a referendum, the UK's population would happily dump their monarchy in exchange for US statehood. There's a lot of commonality with their democracy, language, skepticism of foreign immigration, embrace of capitalism, etc. It would also be a pretty solid strategic move to bring the US closer to Europe as a hedge against the Russi…

I think you misjudge how much the Anglophone world looks down on America, and Americans in general. We take great pride in Australia of our differences from that place. We're much more similar to the British (and them to us) than to the Americans.

... And yet there's a net brain drain to the US.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by MangoCoffee »

thrdbndndn wrote: post #176
MangoCoffee wrote: post #164

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this doesn't support "China simply invested more in their people than USA it seems.".

I'm not replying to that. I'm replying to your comment. And you now changed it to "College education are not compulsory and free in both countries" which is even more wrong..

>I'm not replying to that. I'm replying to your comment

thank for clarify

>And you now changed it to "College education are not compulsory and free in both countries"

i never change my statement to OP and what's wrong? both countries doesn't offer free College education. one is cheaper doesn't mean its free.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by TheTon »

ipv6ipv4 wrote: post #50

Daring Fireball [1] has another passage from the article which is illuminating with regards to any promises Apple makes about how it will resist governmental pressure to compromise its products, vis-à-vis Apple's CSAM scanning tool. "Sometime in 2014 or early 2015, China’s State Bureau of Surveying and Mapping told members of the Apple Maps team to make the Diaoyu Islands, the objects of a long-running territorial di…

Apple Maps is operated by AutoNavi (a Chinese company) in China [1].

It doesn’t really make sense that the Chinese government would be pressuring Apple directly to make political changes to the map provided by AutoNavi. If they wanted the map drawn differently they could just pass a law requiring it or go straight to AutoNavi with the request.

Of course the story could still be true (I have no idea), but not mentioning AutoNavi kind of strains its credibility.

1. https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/apple-maps/

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by trasz »

onepointsixC wrote: post #171
star-trek-fleet wrote: post #151

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>I have stated multiple times that muslim or uygur genocide in Xinjiang is a laughable propaganda lie. That you have stated so does not mean if it is true or not. Your Chinese source doesn't change the fact that Uyghur birthrates dropped by a 60% between 2015 to 2018 according to Chinese government statistics. From 2016 there was a seven-fold increase in sterilization [1]. There are no natural reasons why that would…

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by angio »

onepointsixC wrote: post #106
makeitdouble wrote: post #3

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I find it interesting you see Apple a national asset needing special scrutiny. It might as well be true, but then you should also expect other countries to start dealing with Apple as a part of the US gov. and not a purely private party.

Of course it needs special scrutiny. What if in the midst of a break down in talks between the US and China, Chinese regulators come calling and say that either Apple provides the iCloud backup data of a staffer of an America senator or else they will be immediately banned from the Chinese market.

Maybe at that point Apple can stop spying on its users, that way as an EU citizen I get the US government to stop spying on me too (Apple was part of PRISM).

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by martythemaniak »

tene wrote: post #180
ipv6ipv4 wrote: post #50

Daring Fireball [1] has another passage from the article which is illuminating with regards to any promises Apple makes about how it will resist governmental pressure to compromise its products, vis-à-vis Apple's CSAM scanning tool. "Sometime in 2014 or early 2015, China’s State Bureau of Surveying and Mapping told members of the Apple Maps team to make the Diaoyu Islands, the objects of a long-running territorial di…

Does anyone have any insight into the motivation behind making the islands appear larger? I haven't been able to come up with any plausible guesses about what "make the islands look big" would be helpful in achieving.

It's pretty simple, China claims large parts of the south China sea, parts that extend far, far out of their maritime bounds and go into other countries' territories. They have a variety of justifications, one of which is they they dredge some reefs and make them into islands which they then claim. This particular instance is not in the south China sea, but it's all the same.
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