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Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by justicezyx »

poutine wrote: post #36
einpoklum wrote: post #34

Well, I happen to know that Apple management signed many deals with the US, which is just as problematic of a world state as China, if not more so. That is to say - unless you have a planet-wide blind spot, this title evokes the same emotional response as, say, "JD.com signed RMB 275B deal with US corporations in 2016".

There is no moral equivalency between the US and China. Stop this right away.

What do you mean no moral equivalency? Are you suggesting one is obviously superior than the other? Judging the behaviors in the 21st century, I think China is morally superior to US? Based on the wars invoked by IS, and the poverty elimination done by China. Obviously China improved Chinese citizens living standard dramatically, while US are doing the opposite across the world.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by idiotsecant »

justicezyx wrote: post #81
justinator wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> China simply invested more in their people than USA it seems So long as you're not Muslim.

What do you mean? China invest heavily in Xinjiang. Xinjiang GDP is 19th on the list https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%8D%8E%E4%BA%BA%... Per capita GDP is similarly ranked. And there are 56 minorities groups in China, they were all have specific aid program, like preferential treatment in national college exams. What's the basis of such a wishwash statement on China and the people? Are you suggesting Chin…

barbed wire and re-education don't count!

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by [deleted] »

MangoCoffee wrote: post #76
pasabagi wrote: post #30

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> 1. was done in secret Was it? Reading the article, the only 'secret' component was the lobbying, which is obviously done behind closed doors. Everything else is public commitments and public statements - which makes sense, since they were trying to pour oil on troubled chinese waters. FWIW, western media often suggests stuff is 'secret' in china, because they can't read chinese, and all those orientals are awfully…

>western media often suggests stuff is 'secret' in china, because they can't read chinese, and all those orientals are awfully mysterious. this is stupid. BBC Chinese ( https://www.bbc.com/zhongwen/simp ) have many Chinese/people who can speak/read/write Chinese. large Western Media have Chinese staffs just like any large Chinese Media in China, HK or Taiwan with people capable of speak/read/write English.

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by lastofthemojito »

remarkEon wrote: post #84
lastofthemojito wrote: post #44

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It seems to be Apple's standard MO to comply with local regulations regardless of market size. They've complied with Russian demands[0,1] and it looks like Apple Rus accounts for something like 2.6% of Apple's revenue, a fraction that Apple could probably do without. From a recent interview[2] with Tim Cook: >"World peace through world trade," Cook said, adding that operating in foreign countries means Apple has to "…

>World peace through world trade And here I was under the impression that most everyone - everyone important enough at least - understood that Fukuyama was (very) wrong. Perhaps his definition of "world peace" is different.

I'm not sure where Fukuyama and Friedman agree and disagree, but Cook's quote struck me as Friedman-esque. It sounds like he sees Apple as a player in Friedman's Dell Theory of Conflict Prevention: "No two countries that are both part of a major global supply chain, like Dell’s, will ever fight a war against each other as long as they are both part of the same global supply chain".

(Quoting from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_peace)

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by trasz »

poutine wrote: post #36
einpoklum wrote: post #34

Well, I happen to know that Apple management signed many deals with the US, which is just as problematic of a world state as China, if not more so. That is to say - unless you have a planet-wide blind spot, this title evokes the same emotional response as, say, "JD.com signed RMB 275B deal with US corporations in 2016".

There is no moral equivalency between the US and China. Stop this right away.

Indeed - one of them killed about million innocent people in the last two decades, the other was focused on peaceful economic growth instead.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by azinman2 »

arcticbull wrote: post #69
pvarangot wrote: post #61

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> America needs to onshore manufacturing of critical chemicals and components. Steel. Electronics. I'm all for countries having local manufacturing capabilities. Not just the US. I was also pretty vocal about Argentina having them when I lived there and I'd love the US to have more accessible local manufacturing now that I'm here. Thing is, as much as I can want that as an engineer with a somewhat cozy desk job it's…

> Are there people in the US that want factory jobs? The only way to make manufacturing at home competitive with overseas is full-scale automation. It won't create jobs to bring it back onshore - nor should it for exactly the reasons you specify. Instead, it would be a strategic investment.

Except automation can’t change on a dime. It also is bad at all kinds of things… just see Musk’s commentary on why they backed away from so much automation with Model 3 for humans.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by mullingitover »

arcticbull wrote: post #62
echelon wrote: post #35

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A Reddit comment [1] on this same article really hit home, > Mr. Cook has watched China's middle class grow to four hundred million while watching the domestic middle class shrink. Like GM, which sells more cars in China than the USA, Apple knows where the market opportunities reside. America needs growth again, whether that's immigration, childbirth and childcare subsidies, or seeking to merge with other democratic…

> ... seeking to merge with other democratic nations (Australia, Korea, Japan, Taiwan). That presumes that other countries want to be part of America. I suspect strongly you'll find that's not the case. Merger then has a more "1812" feeling to it. The only folks tripping over their shoelaces to be US states are Puerto Rico and DC. > America needs to onshore manufacturing of critical chemicals and components. Steel. E…

> That presumes that other countries want to be part of America.

I feel like if there was a referendum, the UK's population would happily dump their monarchy in exchange for US statehood. There's a lot of commonality with their democracy, language, skepticism of foreign immigration, embrace of capitalism, etc.

It would also be a pretty solid strategic move to bring the US closer to Europe as a hedge against the Russian ambitions laid out in their Foundations of Geopolitics playbook.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by MangoCoffee »

mempko wrote: post #38
echelon wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Reddit comment [1] on this same article really hit home, > Mr. Cook has watched China's middle class grow to four hundred million while watching the domestic middle class shrink. Like GM, which sells more cars in China than the USA, Apple knows where the market opportunities reside. America needs growth again, whether that's immigration, childbirth and childcare subsidies, or seeking to merge with other democratic…

China simply invested more in their people than USA it seems. You now see American business people like Elon Musk promote divestment from the USA in his attack on government deficits.

>China simply invested more in their people than USA it seems.

when you say "invested more in their people"? what do you mean?

if we are talking about education. both country offer free education to its people. College education are not compulsory and free in both countries

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by sneak »

pupppet wrote: post #27

This will be the logical conclusion to every major American corporation unless someone puts a stop to this. If profit comes before everything, then so will China's 1.4B potential market vs US's 330M market.

You are forgetting about manufacturing.

While China is indeed an important and huge market for sales... approximately 100% of Apple's products are manufactured in China (save some tiny fraction that are assembled in India or Texas).

Every iPhone sold everywhere worldwide (except the few assembled in India) comes from China.

Apple cannot exist without China. Full stop.

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