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post #68

The substack username "patriotone" is pretty revealing. Reeks of QAnon nonsense, the posts themselves contain some pretty obvious dog whistles too.

If it’s obvious, is it a dog whistle?

I think so. Its typically the equivalent of 'nudge, nudge, wink wink' so if it was subtle people would miss the point

Re: Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial

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post #106

They also suspended Nancy Tracker [0], a twitter account tracking Nancy Pelosi's stock trades. Something else I noticed that I think has changed is the follower counts on suspended accounts, which is only available on the app. It may have always been hidden on the web. I get it, they're a private platform. But if they're acting on behalf of powerful state actors, how can we say that's not suppression on speech? The w…

The new "private information" policy has been widely abused in the last week or so. A lot of accounts of this nature are going up and down as people war over false reports.

Bunch of examples: https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1465833079952625664

Re: Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial

#133
I have personally reported this (and related "tracker" accounts) for disinformation multiple times, so for one, I am glad to see it suspended. Despite the innocent sounding name, it's not just "coverage of the trial" as you would expect. The "tracker" accounts have all signs of belonging to a Russian troll farm and pushing a hostile agenda, which has absolutely nothing to do with justice one way or another.

I expect to see more of these accounts suspended in coming days.

Re: Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial

#134

There are plenty of reputable journalists closely following the trial including Julie K Brown, the Miami based reporter whose story broke the whole thing open a few years ago leading to these arrests: https://twitter.com/jkbjournalist Adam Klasfeld is another one I enjoy: https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports

By handwaving this away I take it you're ok with Twitter deciding who is "reputable" and a "journalist"? There's no evidence this account violated the Twitter TOS.

Twitter didn't suspend the account for not being reputable. They suspended the account for being part of a network that was artificially promoting tweets and content. You're arguing a point that Twitter never made

Re: Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial

#135
post #68

The substack username "patriotone" is pretty revealing. Reeks of QAnon nonsense, the posts themselves contain some pretty obvious dog whistles too.

If it’s obvious, is it a dog whistle?

If one’s a dog, I suppose.

Re: Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial

#136
post #68

The substack username "patriotone" is pretty revealing. Reeks of QAnon nonsense, the posts themselves contain some pretty obvious dog whistles too.

At some point, you have to use your judgement and evaluate things for yourself. It is regrettable that a label like "patriot" has become something that instantly discredits something for a good chunk of the population. But we have to be vigilant about calling everything a dog-whistle because you risk becoming trapped within your own worldview.

Re: Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial

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post #133

I have personally reported this (and related "tracker" accounts) for disinformation multiple times, so for one, I am glad to see it suspended. Despite the innocent sounding name, it's not just "coverage of the trial" as you would expect. The "tracker" accounts have all signs of belonging to a Russian troll farm and pushing a hostile agenda, which has absolutely nothing to do with justice one way or another. I expect…

I am curious to know, which checkboxes did the account check to qualify as misinformation and being a Russian troll?

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#138

Is there a good case for why someone who doesn't use twitter would create an account and use it now? Trying to figure out what organic growth for them looks like.

Asian and African markets probably. For western nations it becomes a containment platform like Tumblr has been until it destroyed itself.

Or rather, destroyed by the touch of Yahoo...

Re: Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter isn't a public space. It is a privately owned platform.

The person you are responding to is suggesting that a virtual space designed for public congregation should perhaps be designated as a public space. It isn't that different from asking if a shopping mall is a public space and the courts have sometimes said "yes". See: https://firstamendmentcoalition.org/2016/05/aa-shopping-cent...

This is getting into the more nuanced argument of “taking private property” for the public good - or at least allowing access to it for first amendment activities.

One issue with “forcing” first amendment protections on a private party is compelling speech from that party (in this case Twitter). If Twitter is entitled to first amendment “protection” from the government then it can’t be compelled to “speak” on behalf of a user.

Prohibiting shopping centers from blocking first amendment activities recognized that there are only so many “publicly available” squares in “real life” where people can exercise their first amendment rights. This doesn’t exactly hold true on the internet. There are an “infinite” number of public squares.

Another way to look at this is how IP “theft” is thought of. If I steal your CD you can’t listen to the music on it - but if I copy the MP3 then no one has been “deprived” of the original. Similarly “anyone” can stand in the “public square” of the internet without depriving someone else of that same space and access - an argument that doesn’t work in real life.

If there are infinite public squares do you need to be given access to all of them? Do you want to be compelled to speak for someone else simply because you’ve become large enough?

As a US citizen I’d prefer that these issues with corporations be addressed via other means that deal with monopoly power, open standards, data privacy/portability and similar. The first amendment is a powerful sword but it’s not a solution to a “bad actor” at the scale of Twitter - break up the company if you don’t like what they’re doing but don’t force them to speak for other people.

Re: Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial

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> "artificially" amplifying information Isn't that the whole point of Twitter?

"artificial" is the key word -- it is referring to intentional manipulation rather than legitimate engagement.

While I wouldn't be terribly surprised if this user was botting their own account (I remember them tweeting the same photo on their Nancy account twice, attributed to different dates for example) this seems like an abusable ban condition. Couldn't I bot someone else's account in order to get them banned?
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