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Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by swayvil »

jmnicolas wrote: post #334
lb0 wrote: post #202

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Expert on tv explained it just yesterday.. 3 shots is actually what you need for most vaccines and is the common procedure for most if you remember.. 1st shot "warns" your immune system 2nd shot really triggers your immune system (that's also why most people see strongest side effects here) 3rd shot then makes your immune remind, and massively increases B+T lymphocytesmemory memory cells So yeah, you can expect a lot…

> Expert on tv explained it just yesterday.. 3 shots is actually what you need for most vaccines and is the common procedure for most if you remember.. The same so called experts that will say that now you need the 4th dose, the 5th etc. It's now obvious that it's a vaccine as a service. Pfizer ceo's hinted at it last year, saying it would probably be recurring every 6 months.

Checking out your replies that got flagged and killed. Mob style censorship is alive and well here.

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Post by roody15 »

Interesting. So far the Omicron variant has shown itself to be mild with minimal hospitalizations and 0 reported deaths worldwide.

Is there even a need to vaccinate at all? It would seem this is the variant we would want to spread worldwide and let it take over the more dangerous strains.

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Post by martythemaniak »

yumraj wrote: post #266

Has anyone seen research around mix and match? As in which is better, stay with the original or get a different booster? Especially mRNA followed by J&J, and J&J followed by mRNA? Additionally, is there any benefit to Pfizer followed by Moderna and vice versa.

Most Canadians had a mix of either AZ and mRNA or the two mRNAs mixed. There's some studies you can search for, IIRC, the mRNA ones are basically interchangeable, and the AZ/mRNA mix gave better results.

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Post by beerandt »

logicchains wrote: post #40
1cvmask wrote: post #2

This is the scientific meat of the press release where it claims a 25 times neutralizing antibody titers against the Omicron strain with a third dose of Pfizer-BionTech: The sera were collected from subjects 3 weeks after receiving the second dose or one month after receiving the third dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine. Each serum was tested simultaneously for its neutralizing antibody titer against the wi…

It's interesting, this differs from recent results suggesting that boosting with vaccines derived from the original Wuhan variant is relatively less effective against newer variants like delta: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.12.21261952v... .

It's because there are two main types of studies getting published: studies based on the actual virus or real world observations, and studies based on a pseudo-virus or simplified modeling.

This study is the latter- it only tests efficacy against the spike itself, and nothing else.

The study that suggested natural immunity plus the vaccine is the best protection was similarly based only on the spike protein.

So any immune response based on any part other than the spike gets neglected, and I suspect that's at least somewhat intentional.

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Post by dahart »

jaspax wrote: post #330
mitchdoogle wrote: post #304

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We get flu vaccine every year, what's wrong with getting vaccinated forever?

Who's "we"? I don't intend any hostility here. But I have never gotten a flu vaccine in my life, and it seems deeply silly to me to get a yearly shot just to cut down on the chance of mild illness. A quick poll of my acquaintances reveals that almost no one in my social circle gets flu shots, either. This makes me wonder whether the antagonism to mandatory COVID boosters is just an intensification of an existing divi…

> it seems deeply silly to me to get a yearly shot just to cut down on the chance of a mild illness.

Is it silly to get a shot in order to cut down on the chance of someone else having a mild illness turn severe or fatal?

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Post by Jenk »

bobthechef wrote: post #209
Jenk wrote: post #14

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Not deadly enough _to you_. I'm sure those who are vulnerable will thank you immensely for your compassion.

There are plenty of threats to the vulnerable in the world. Should we therefore impose coercive blanket policies on everyone and across the board under the pretext of "compassion"? Is collateral damage unimportant?

Can you point to the spot(s) on the doll where the big bad vaccines hurt you?

Oh that's right. No where.

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Post by nahqz »

toyg wrote: post #342
nahqz wrote: post #238

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There is absolutely no way to stop the spread forever. Just suggesting it is crazy. It is an option you have to forget about. Stalling the spread is useless as well - we have already had two major mutations in less than two years.

> There is absolutely no way to stop the spread forever. Well, there is, we just don't want to pay for it: vaccinating poor countries, where effectively the mutations are being created by high infection rates.

The vaccine hasn't stopped spread in rich countries, why would it do so in poor countries?

Also there haven't been enough variants as to determine that most variants are coming from poor countries. Speaking of delta, India has more population than the entirety of Europe. Mathematically it makes sense than a variant could come from there regardless of whether the vaccine does anything.

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Post by dragontamer »

dolni wrote: post #344
dragontamer wrote: post #247

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> Aren't antibody titers just one measure of immunity? Yes. But Omicron just came out 3 weeks ago. -------- We start with the quickest measures of immunity. As better data comes in, we change our opinion. The gold-standard is a large-scale, multi-month A/B test. There simply hasn't been enough time for that to be created. If these smaller tests prove adequate, we probably will skip the large-scale test... much like A…

> We start with the quickest measures of immunity. As better data comes in, we change our opinion. This is exactly the problem with pandemic messaging. Too many claims based on garbage data that end up being wrong later. The result is a population that doesn't trust its government's guidance. Vaccines were supposed to end the pandemic. Then it was they would keep you from getting sick. Then it was you'd still get sic…

> This is exactly the problem with pandemic messaging

There's two parts to the pandemic. Gathering information, and spreading information. You need to spread the currently known things, so that scientists know what else to look for.

Welcome to the world of science and learning. You know one thing, and then it changes as new tests come in. Its impossible to get to the truth from the beginning in one step.

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Post by toyg »

ethbr0 wrote: post #289
freemint wrote: post #194

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The reason why people are obsessed with case numbers and not deaths is that case numbers control the case numbers in the insufficiently immunized which predicts death toll 3 weeks ahead of time. Why would you want to control a system with 2-3 weeks of additional lag in your input data when case numbers (a thing that is somewhat easy to measure) correlates so well future deaths? Ideally politician would have some fami…

All of that plus "What kills people from COVID now?" To which the answer is "Lack of access to ICU-capable health facilities." And what causes lack of access? Total number of people hospitalized. And how does that number grow? Exponentially. So every public health department in the world is optimizing for "How do we prevent our limited number of ICU-capable health facilities from being overwhelmed." And that comes do…

I agree completely, with the addition that this has been the case pretty much from the start. Evolution of therapies has been minimal, the killer factor has always been the level of pressure on health services - which doesn't just mean ventilators as initially thought, but the entire care process over several days. And this is why vaccines are a game changer: they remove the need for hospitalization.
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