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I've had the same experience. Can't shake the idea that `consciousness == god` and we are all tiny manifestations of this "essence", after some psychedelic trips. My rational mind always goes back to atheism when sober, but the idea is always there in the back of my mind.
http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html https://youtu.be/wU0PYcCsL6o
Psychedelics alter metaphysical beliefs
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Re: Psychedelics alter metaphysical beliefs
#52The overall result does not surprise me, but two things in particular did: 1. That materialism is much less popular than I expected. I wonder how much is due to selection bias. 2. That idealism didn't enjoy a bigger bump than it did. I predict that dose size would correlate with increase in idealist views, as larger doses are more frequently nondual, and nondual experiences tend to inspire idealist beliefs. I myself…
> That materialism is much less popular than I expected. I wonder how much is due to selection bias The overwhelming majority of human beings both now and historically are dualists, so this isn't surprising to me at all. Materialists always lose me when they start trying to explain things like how exactly inanimate matter started thinking. I've never seen any recourse other than handwaving of the highest order. Usual…
Define "thinking." Is an ecoli deciding to move towards or away from a chemical signal "thinking?"
> I've never seen any recourse other than handwaving of the highest order.
How much have you read from people researching consciousness, vs reading half-baked layman ideas about materialism on web forums?
Do you find "souls" to require less handwaving than materialism? Because if not, I have a lot of questions about souls that I'd love you to answer. Here are a few.
- when you were a wee child, was your soul also unable to think sophisticated thoughts and was also afraid of monsters under the bed?
- does your soul sleep when you are asleep, or is it just waiting for you to wake up?
- how does a soul manifest its influence on the physical body? Do you posit that it violates physical laws to make the material body do something other than follow the physical laws, or is there some undiscovered force of nature that allows a soul to "tunnel" into the physical world?
- at what point does the soul attach itself to the physical body? That is, does a blastomere have a soul? If so, what happens when a blastomere cleves fully in two, making identical twins -- does another soul pop into existence? Does the original soul split into two as well?
- when a person develops dementia, does the soul suffer from it too? or does the soul get frustrated that it can no longer communicate with its associated body?
- is there one soul that everyone taps into, or does each person have their own soul?
- do souls get one "life", or do they get recycled? if they are recycled, do souls specialize in one type of creature, or can a soul be a worm in one life and a physicist in the next?
Re: Psychedelics alter metaphysical beliefs
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is no "mechanism for how [ ... ] emergence occurs". Emergence is the mechanism. This is even more true of qualia, which are definitionally subjective, and thus do not exist as phenomena in the world. We could talk a bit about the mechanism behind the process where aggregating sufficient water molecules creates a liquid. But we can't talk at all about how that same process could ever be responsible for the exper…
The argument breaks down for me here: > because the experience of wet is wholly subjective. I can't distinguish this from "wetness is a quale." In which case the analogy water : wetness :: brain : qualia reduces to water : qualia :: brain : qualia. Also: > the experience of having experiences The fact that we sometimes slip up and use recursive language like this is a suggestive sign to me. We intuit that experience…
this is not recursive, really. It is not written to imply that experience is universal, in fact quite the opposite. Most of us generally posit that rocks do not have experiences. Most of us posit that humans do, and likewise (famously) so do bats. But what the experiences that a bat has? It's not unreasonable to assume that they are quite different from the ones a human has.
Ergo, we cannot really compare the experiences of a bat with those of a human. But we can note that they both have experiences, and that is the magical part. I was just being flowery by using "experience" twice in a row, but in another sense I was trying to differentiate between the questions of "why are our experiences as they are?" and "why do we have any experience at all?" This is something that I think Dennett in particular fails spectacularly at (and he agreed with me, once :)
As for the "wetness is a qualia" point, yes, that is good summary of my point, but I am sorry, I do not understand the notation you are using after that.
Re: Psychedelics alter metaphysical beliefs
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You've got it backwards. Reality does not change due to hallucination, only my perception of it. I've tripped many times and none of what I saw was real, and everything I saw when I wasn't tripping was real. It's good as therapy, and reveals a lot about perception and thoughts, but nothing else.
I don't think that's what the GP meant. I think they meant your perception of reality can take more than one form. Often people fall into the trap of thinking their current perception of reality must be The One, but clearly what many people believe is very much not reality. It's just their current feeling about what their senses are telling them. In fact, in many cases, said perception is created from very little dat…
My carpet is not changing color, my mother's face isn't melting. That's not happening on a physical level.
My sober perception is repeatable and verifiable. It exists no matter my state of mind.
It's novel to make yourself see things that are unreal. It's novel to have your emotions fluctuate wildly. But it's just novel, and unreal, and nothing more.
Re: Psychedelics alter metaphysical beliefs
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Maybe you experience qualia, but I’m just a configuration of matter. I can’t know what it’s like to experience qualia, because I don’t experience them. Instead, my configurations change according to input and internal processes. I am purely phenomenological.
No worries. You're not part of the discussion, then.
Re: Psychedelics alter metaphysical beliefs
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
No worries. You're not part of the discussion, then.
Who is included in the discussion? Is there anyone we can agree has subjective experiences which are not phenomenological?
Re: Psychedelics alter metaphysical beliefs
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
sometimes, you can build different walls
and sometimes, when the walls came down, so did the roof, which ripped out the electrical supply, destroyed the plumbing and ruined all the floors. you don't have a house anymore, just a pile of disorganized raw material and you realize you don't know anything about house construction.
Re: Psychedelics alter metaphysical beliefs
#58Psilocybin has been a profound catalyst for change in my life. Macro + micro dosing both offer distinct benefits. Can’t imagine life without it now. I feel enlightened and awakened. Alive for the first time in a long time.
How has microdosing helped? Or I should say, what benefits does microdosing confer that macrodosing doesn't?
Microdosing helps me every day in my everyday encounters - I don’t have a negative voice in my mind, I can think about things from a more logical vantage point versus getting caught up in emotions or triggers.
Macrodosing to me can best be describes as getting a UART debug port to your brain. It’s also helped me develop (or perhaps in my case: expose/identify/become aware of) my mind-body connection. Sometimes for an entire trip I’ll just foam roll, meditate and try and unwind years of abuse and trauma on my body. I got into a lot of accidents in my youth and my conditioning led me to ignore the needs of my body to recover properly.
One downside to macrodosing (for me) has been the vasoconstrictive effect of psilocybin. Long story short, I’m particularly susceptible to this and it can crush me. A big 5g Terrence McKenna ego-death dose can basically put me right to sleep due to the way my neck and muscles will get so tight that I can’t breath and essentially chokehold myself. Benadryl has been a helpful tool in this scenario.
All this being said - I haven’t measured this stuff scientifically so who really knows. But I do feel more compassion for everyone and I am able to observe things in others that used to bother me tremendously from a place of non-judgement. I see the journey that I am on, and I can see the journey that everyone else is on too. I can hold those in my mind without judgement, and it gives me strength where before I would have been perturbed.
If anyone has questions please don’t hesitate to email me privately. This medicine can and will change the world.
Re: Psychedelics alter metaphysical beliefs
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think that's what the GP meant. I think they meant your perception of reality can take more than one form. Often people fall into the trap of thinking their current perception of reality must be The One, but clearly what many people believe is very much not reality. It's just their current feeling about what their senses are telling them. In fact, in many cases, said perception is created from very little dat…
Sorry, that's not what they mean. My carpet is not changing color, my mother's face isn't melting. That's not happening on a physical level. My sober perception is repeatable and verifiable. It exists no matter my state of mind. It's novel to make yourself see things that are unreal. It's novel to have your emotions fluctuate wildly. But it's just novel, and unreal, and nothing more.
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Re: Psychedelics alter metaphysical beliefs
#60The overall result does not surprise me, but two things in particular did: 1. That materialism is much less popular than I expected. I wonder how much is due to selection bias. 2. That idealism didn't enjoy a bigger bump than it did. I predict that dose size would correlate with increase in idealist views, as larger doses are more frequently nondual, and nondual experiences tend to inspire idealist beliefs. I myself…
> That materialism is much less popular than I expected. I wonder how much is due to selection bias The overwhelming majority of human beings both now and historically are dualists, so this isn't surprising to me at all. Materialists always lose me when they start trying to explain things like how exactly inanimate matter started thinking. I've never seen any recourse other than handwaving of the highest order. Usual…
At which level do the existing rules of the material world start to seem less plausible to you than a second unseen world with different rules, that interacts with this one under specific circumstances (if that's what you mean by dualism)?
As we can presently see with computers and machine learning, pretty complex behavior is possible through systems that operate via known physical processes.