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Re: Firefox 95 Released

#91

Post by chiefalchemist »

mthoms wrote: post #56
giords wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brave promotes a toxic business model centered in killing off internet's advertisement and providing their own in house solution. This is very bad for guaranteeing a healthy competition on the market, it creates an enormous walled garden. Firefox is truly multiplatform, open source, committed to privacy, security and an open web and Mozilla is an authority on these topics. Sure, they're not perfect, but so far they p…

I'd argue the worse "toxic business model" is the advertising model you're advocating for. I'm not saying Brave's solution is correct, but I'm glad someone is at least trying something different.

To me it's not the advertising that's wrong or bad per se. It's the tracking. The personal privacy violations. That's what I find toxic and ultimately unethical.

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by mananaysiempre »

cxr wrote: post #49
ajxs wrote: post #21

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A large reason why I have not moved on from Firefox is that Gecko remains the only independent full-featured browser-engine. If Firefox were to be discontinued by Mozilla, Google would gain even more control over web standards than it already has. I'm aware that there are other independent, open-source browser-engines available, I'm not aware of any others that are equally usable as an everyday browser for ordinary u…

> I'm aware that there are other independent, open-source browser-engines available, I'm not aware of any others that are equally usable as an everyday browser for ordinary users though. Safari is both usable for everyday users and is used every day by more than those that use Firefox, which means WebKit is a viable alternative to Blink.

WebKit hardly qualifies as independent from an ecosystem health standpoint, though... GP was probably referring more to efforts like WebSurf.

Re: Firefox 95 Released

#93

Post by [deleted] »

stavros wrote: post #37
prohobo wrote: post #18

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I think he's talking about the fact that they had to do that at all.

In that case, what's unbelievable about a developer phoning feature detection in and just using the user-agent string? :P

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Re: Firefox 95 Released

#95

Post by d3nj4l »

> We’ve added a User Agent override for Slack.com, which allows Firefox users to use more Call features and have access to Huddles.

YES

E: Shame on Slack. Three years and counting they haven't fixed this.

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by technobabbler »

dangus wrote: post #41
technobabbler wrote: post #32

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But what's the point of Gecko now? It's not like the 2000s where Firefox was still able to affect the browser landscape and drive development. Google has become the web standards body, and Webkit/Blink are the only renderers that matter anymore. Mozilla doesn't have enough influence to change anything anymore, it just dies a little more every year as browser support for it decreases even further. It's already down to…

The only reason it "dies" is because people aren't using it. By using it, you help it to not "die." By using Firefox you show web developers that they need to support you as a user, or risk losing your business. That in turn makes Mozilla influential.

People flocked from Netscape to IE because it was better. People flocked from IE to Phoenix/early Firefox because it was better. People flocked from Firefox to Chrome because it was better. People aren't flocking from Chrome back to Firefox because Firefox has gotten worse while Chrome has gotten better.

Why would I use something that most of the web doesn't support, is full of crapvertising, doesn't work seamlessly with my other Google services and Android, and on top of that, gets worse every year?

I opened it just now, just for kicks, and it's begging me to pin itself to my taskbar (even though I'm on a Mac). And the tab right behind the modal popup is a bigass advertising for some Mozilla VPN product. The New Tab below that is a grid of six more ads from something called Pocket.

How the hell did it get so bad? At this point I'd rather just see Firefox die entirely, or be made into another Chromium reskin. It's just malware these days.

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by randy408 »

Someone1234 wrote: post #3

Nice iterative release with mostly cross-platform security and MacOS specific performance improvements. I wonder if there is any benefit to Windows Store Vs. installer setups (e.g. does the update process change)?

Based on my experience Microsoft Store will kill the app to update it.

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by giords »

mthoms wrote: post #56
giords wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brave promotes a toxic business model centered in killing off internet's advertisement and providing their own in house solution. This is very bad for guaranteeing a healthy competition on the market, it creates an enormous walled garden. Firefox is truly multiplatform, open source, committed to privacy, security and an open web and Mozilla is an authority on these topics. Sure, they're not perfect, but so far they p…

I'd argue the worse "toxic business model" is the advertising model you're advocating for. I'm not saying Brave's solution is correct, but I'm glad someone is at least trying something different.

Sure I hate ads as well, but Brave's proposal is just making it worse. It's like a different incarnation of Facebook.

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by khnov »

ct0 wrote: post #82
wenc wrote: post #33

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I moved from Chrome to Firefox a year ago, because: 1) Multi-account containers - open each tab in an isolated container with its own session cookies etc. Use case? Login to multiple Google/Azure/AWS/etc accounts at the same time on different tabs. This is a game-changer if you have to login to multiple cloud accounts because you work for a multinational and each subsidiary you support is on a different tenant. 2) Fi…

Bitwarden's firefox plugin has been flawless for me.

Bitwarden on firefox buggy as hell for me, it does not autofill (except using shortcuts) and does not work on private nav ...

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by 10000truths »

d3nj4l wrote: post #95

> We’ve added a User Agent override for Slack.com, which allows Firefox users to use more Call features and have access to Huddles. YES E: Shame on Slack. Three years and counting they haven't fixed this.

I thought it was standard knowledge that if you need a specific Web API or JavaScript feature, you explicitly test for it, rather than making assumptions based on the user agent.
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