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Re: MikroTik RouterOS v7 stable released

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Post by djanogo »

bigyellow wrote: post #36
djanogo wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unify Dream Machine, it's constantly out of stock, you have to keep checking Ubiquiti website to get it. It has cloud access which is used by app to monitor or control it from outside of your house, but you can disable it.

> It has cloud access which is used by app to monitor or control it from outside of your house, but you can disable it. Nope, don't trust them to do that after https://community.ui.com/questions/Ubiquiti-ignoring-auto-up...

Having owned UDM for over a year with auto update off, they never pushed any forced update, I always do it manually every few months. Based on number of updates[1] that they push I can totally give them benefit of doubt that it was a bug.

They have dozens of products which they update constantly, picking one bug at one time as malice and blacklisting a company is not correct. If you go that route you won't have any company left to buy from.

[1]https://community.ui.com/releases

Re: MikroTik RouterOS v7 stable released

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Post by dhess »

dprice1 wrote: post #43
ok_dad wrote: post #27

So, what's the best wifi gateway with extra access points for a home that I don't have to screw with and doesn't spy on me or have cloud crap? My ISP sent a Google wifi thing but I'd rather pay a few hundred than use that for 10 bucks a month to rent that thing, and I don't trust Google. Edit: Thanks for all the answers, from me and anyone else who was looking! I have some good ideas from the below comments and hopef…

I used to work on a product for secure small-biz Wifi, and so dogfooded my own product in my house. When that was over and I took that out of my house, I had my eyes on Ubiquiti, and it is an impressive ecosystem. But as others have said, it's out of stock all the time, and Ubiqiti are teasing people right now with their next-gen product which is available but also unobtainable. Eventually I picked the Asus ZenWifi s…

I've heard good things about TP-Link's Omada EAP series. Did you happen to look into that platform?

Re: MikroTik RouterOS v7 stable released

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Post by nullwarp »

formerly_proven wrote: post #48
dprice1 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to work on a product for secure small-biz Wifi, and so dogfooded my own product in my house. When that was over and I took that out of my house, I had my eyes on Ubiquiti, and it is an impressive ecosystem. But as others have said, it's out of stock all the time, and Ubiqiti are teasing people right now with their next-gen product which is available but also unobtainable. Eventually I picked the Asus ZenWifi s…

Ubiquiti seems to have turned into a complete shit-show in the last five years.

Yeah easily the most annoying hardware we have to manage to the point where we will no longer use it.

Re: MikroTik RouterOS v7 stable released

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Post by Hamuko »

vorpalhex wrote: post #2

Exciting! This should include native wireguard support..

I used to want Wireguard on my router. It was in fact one of the reasons why I went with an EdgeRouter X.

Then one day, when I was away from home and actually needed the VPN, it absolutely melted. Basically everything on the router stopped working, and I suspect it was Wireguard since the router went haywire when I was actually using it extensively. Needed a hard power cycle, which I couldn't actually do.

These days I just leave my router to do its basic duties and have a Raspberry Pi dedicated to nothing but Wireguard. Haven't had issues since. The Pi 2 Model B also performs better for Wireguard and I imagine that the Pi 4 could saturate my 100 Mb/s upload.

Re: MikroTik RouterOS v7 stable released

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Post by lephty »

comeonseriously wrote: post #30
ok_dad wrote: post #27

So, what's the best wifi gateway with extra access points for a home that I don't have to screw with and doesn't spy on me or have cloud crap? My ISP sent a Google wifi thing but I'd rather pay a few hundred than use that for 10 bucks a month to rent that thing, and I don't trust Google. Edit: Thanks for all the answers, from me and anyone else who was looking! I have some good ideas from the below comments and hopef…

I use an Edgerouter-x with an eap225 AP located centrally. I have not noticed any spying.

+1 for the TP-Link EAP225 and its brethren (they have a cloud management portal, but with just a handful of units they can be managed individually or via self-hosted management server).

I use mine with a Mikrotik RB4011. A very stable and reliable combination.

Re: MikroTik RouterOS v7 stable released

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Post by ctoth »

60Vhipx7b4JL wrote: post #45
ok_dad wrote: post #27

So, what's the best wifi gateway with extra access points for a home that I don't have to screw with and doesn't spy on me or have cloud crap? My ISP sent a Google wifi thing but I'd rather pay a few hundred than use that for 10 bucks a month to rent that thing, and I don't trust Google. Edit: Thanks for all the answers, from me and anyone else who was looking! I have some good ideas from the below comments and hopef…

how about openwrt/openwisp?

As far as I understand, no Wi-Fi 6 routers actually run Openwrt. The only way to get somewhat open software on your Wi-fi 6 or newer device is to use Merlin's fork of Asuswrt. Merlin is pretty big on not making large modifications though, so, for instance, it's very difficult to get Docker running on the device because the default Kernel doesn't ship with a lot of necessary modules. There are some nice apps that use the router directly like Diversion but I would really love a little device that managed everything from VLAN tagging to running little docker appliances and also provided a fast modern AP. Imagine an app store where the moderate power user could click and install apps on their router that all lived in little containers.

Re: MikroTik RouterOS v7 stable released

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Post by core-utility »

bigyellow wrote: post #37

Sincere question: why would someone trust a closed source OS for their router?

Any ISP-provided gateway will be closed source. Cisco products are closed source. Netgear products are closed source. TP-Link products are closed source. Aruba products are closed source.

To my knowledge, the only viable open-source project is that one Linksys router/AP combo, and that doesn't necessarily fit the features someone might be looking for.

While it's nice to think everything could be open source, in the hardware/firmware world it's just not common.

Re: MikroTik RouterOS v7 stable released

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Post by stingraycharles »

Arnt wrote: post #40

Oh neat. I wish to declare that I'm a Mikrotik fanboy. My hardware is ten years old, doesn't break, and Mikrotik supports it on the latest versions, apparently without plans to ever sunset the support. Ooh aah.

Big supporter of Mikrotik here, it’s a perfect middle ground between consumer “crap”, and $10,000 enterprise network equipment.

Rolled out a 10gbit / 25gbit network at home. My biggest complaints are:

* Wireless is really difficult to get “decent speeds”. I also have my ISP’s router and a Draytek at home, these easily do 500mbit, and it’s nearly impossible to get my router board to do the same. When asking support there’s mainly a lot of hand-waving “you’ll never get better than 100mbit anywhere anyway”, etc. Even if other router vendors use hacks / cheats to achieve what they do, I would want an explanation what exactly it is they’re doing, and why Mikrotik can’t do that.

* I know their Linux Kernel supports certain features, I would really like an “escape hatch” so I can just run traffic shaping commands manually. Eg if I want to use RED with ECN, the lack of a UI checkbox shouldn’t be the limiting factor;

* Upgrades while being in their development branch has been a big pain, many times losing crucial configurations; I guess this is fair game when I’m on the beta channel.

* Hardware is a bit underpowered for my needs, but I guess that’s why enterprise equipment is 10x - 50x as expensive. Doing traffic shaping on anything more than 1gbit is pretty much impossible; probably the best solution is to use some dedicated hardware with a whole bunch of network cards inside.

Re: MikroTik RouterOS v7 stable released

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Post by core-utility »

beebeepka wrote: post #3

I've been thinking about going with Mikrotik at least twice but never pulled the trigger because I am sort of a chicken shit. Is it easy for a noob to setup things like port forwarding and vlans on a router/ap box?

As someone with moderate networking experience in a Cisco environment, and having set up Ubiquiti products and a pfsense router, MikroTik tops the cake for worst learning curve. I wasn't even trying to use it as a router, I just wanted a basic L2/L3 switch with some VLANs. It's set up now and I'm happy with it, but prepare for lots of trial, error, and head scratching.

Re: MikroTik RouterOS v7 stable released

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Post by gonzo »

willis936 wrote: post #41
ok_dad wrote: post #27

So, what's the best wifi gateway with extra access points for a home that I don't have to screw with and doesn't spy on me or have cloud crap? My ISP sent a Google wifi thing but I'd rather pay a few hundred than use that for 10 bucks a month to rent that thing, and I don't trust Google. Edit: Thanks for all the answers, from me and anyone else who was looking! I have some good ideas from the below comments and hopef…

I bought a used Ruckus R610 on ebay for a modest $160 (not including power adapter). I am extremely happy with the hardware performance and the stability and options of the Unleashed firmware. It says it supports a gateway mode, but as a power user I want a bit more control than what I would expect a WAP to offer. I use an EdgeRouter-4 running whatever the latest official release is. Having separate boxes grants me f…

I own Netgate and run R610s at work and at home, if that says anything.
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