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All sound recordings prior to 1923 will enter the US public domain in 2022

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Re: All sound recordings prior to 1923 will enter the US public domain in 2022

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Post by nicoburns »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #75
dahart wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personal ownership is already limited by the owner’s lifetime and automatically transfers when they die. Copyrights, on the other hand, outlive the creator.

>Personal ownership is already limited by the owner’s lifetime and automatically transfers when they die. Copyrights, on the other hand, outlive the creator. well personal ownership generally gets passed to your kids when you die and then to their kids etc. so as long as your descendants do not sell it, that lasts forever. Copyrights might last past you to your kids but probably not to your kids' kids and further.

A portion passes to your kids, the rest accrues to the state through inheritance tax. What the proportion is depends on where you live.

Re: All sound recordings prior to 1923 will enter the US public domain in 2022

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Post by bryanlarsen »

jcranmer wrote: post #63
bryanlarsen wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that trademark? IOW, when Steamboat Willie's copyright expires, it doesn't give you the right to make a new Mickey Mouse film. Disney still has a trademark on Mickey.

No, trademark is entirely different IP. Copyright very explicitly protects the right to make derivative works. (See 17 USC §106 ( https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/106 ) for the full list of what copyright actually protects.)

But if your copyright has expired, you can still prevent derivative works via trademark. Disney has trademarked Mickey Mouse.

Re: All sound recordings prior to 1923 will enter the US public domain in 2022

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Post by filoeleven »

odiroot wrote: post #56
hippie_queen wrote: post #17

Can't wait to finally sample Thomas Edison on the phonograph for my Soundcloud tracks, and not having to worry about the police knocking at my door!

Knowing Edison, he can get up from the grave any day, to sue you into bankruptcy.

Alternatively, with a reinforced casket mounted on a turbine, his grave-spinning could be a viable and fitting alternative to fossil fuels.

Re: All sound recordings prior to 1923 will enter the US public domain in 2022

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Post by EarlKing »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #31
marcodiego wrote: post #2

99 years to enter public domain... I don't think this is fair.

I think if we're going to time limit ownership rights to intellectual property we should time limit ownership rights to everything - including land, buildings, shares and stocks, bonds, art collections, all of it. Except maybe trivial items like home furnishings and portable tools. I've yet to hear any credible argument - one that doesn't reduce to entitlement and wishful thinking - for distinguishing between these a…

> I've yet to hear any credible argument

You haven't given your criteria of credibility, so why should we listen to you?

> If IP is effectively a public good held on a short lease, so is all property.

This is so malformed you're not even wrong.

Re: All sound recordings prior to 1923 will enter the US public domain in 2022

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

mattl wrote: post #4
marcodiego wrote: post #2

99 years to enter public domain... I don't think this is fair.

What do you think is reasonable? 14? 24? 50?

Honestly I think we should just work at doing away with the concept. The idea of it was to encourage the creation of works by providing a limited term of artificial scarcity so said works could participate in the market. But in the information age, where copying information is as close to free as makes no odds, I think that makes a lot less sense than it used to. That's without even considering that giant corporations have subverted this system and exploited many producers of works while profiting well past the deaths of the creators.

It is my opinion that we need an alternative mechanism for funding the creation of information-works that doesn't rely on artificial scarcity.

Re: All sound recordings prior to 1923 will enter the US public domain in 2022

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Post by at_compile_time »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #31
marcodiego wrote: post #2

99 years to enter public domain... I don't think this is fair.

I think if we're going to time limit ownership rights to intellectual property we should time limit ownership rights to everything - including land, buildings, shares and stocks, bonds, art collections, all of it. Except maybe trivial items like home furnishings and portable tools. I've yet to hear any credible argument - one that doesn't reduce to entitlement and wishful thinking - for distinguishing between these a…

What distinguishes land from all the other things you have mentioned is that there is a finite limit to its amount. You can issue new shares, make more goods, build new buildings, and write new songs, but the amount of land available is actually shrinking.

We need a land value tax. The wealthy shouldn't be able to extort rent from the rest of society for having bought up a finite resource that gets its value from that same society. Land speculation is a scourge that drives people into poverty and homelessness while good land goes sits idle.

https://librivox.org/progress-and-poverty-by-henry-george/

Re: All sound recordings prior to 1923 will enter the US public domain in 2022

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

nicoburns wrote: post #91
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Personal ownership is already limited by the owner’s lifetime and automatically transfers when they die. Copyrights, on the other hand, outlive the creator. well personal ownership generally gets passed to your kids when you die and then to their kids etc. so as long as your descendants do not sell it, that lasts forever. Copyrights might last past you to your kids but probably not to your kids' kids and further.

A portion passes to your kids, the rest accrues to the state through inheritance tax. What the proportion is depends on where you live.

well that's true, but are you under the impression that the value of copyrights are not ever taken into account in determining the value of an artist's estate and are thus not taxed at the time of death?

Re: All sound recordings prior to 1923 will enter the US public domain in 2022

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Post by lovich »

IiydAbITMvJkqKf wrote: post #90
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think if we're going to time limit ownership rights to intellectual property we should time limit ownership rights to everything - including land, buildings, shares and stocks, bonds, art collections, all of it. Except maybe trivial items like home furnishings and portable tools. I've yet to hear any credible argument - one that doesn't reduce to entitlement and wishful thinking - for distinguishing between these a…

There's literally no difference between copying and stealing.

Is this sarcasm or have the kids getting blasted from birth with the “you wouldn’t download a car” type propaganda entered the work force already?

Re: All sound recordings prior to 1923 will enter the US public domain in 2022

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Post by cool_dude85 »

chrisco255 wrote: post #81
Hokusai wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, anyone that had a personal attachment to that music is dead. The current goal of copyright is to let companies own the culture you grew with. All the movies, music, books and games that defined who you are will not enter the public domain until you are dead or very old. Companies like Disney were founded on well known stories. They will not allow anybody else too accomplish the same.

Disney was founded on Mickey Mouse. Yes, they made major motion pictures out of old myths and legends, like Cinderella and Robin Hood, but those stories have always been public domain and you can write a book or movie about them with no problem.

Not sure about their finances back then, but I have to guess that their feature films were the money makers and the shorts less so.

And I think the grandparent's point is that Mickey Mouse today is in some sense analogous to your Cinderellas and Robin Hoods in the 30s... only you can't make your own movie about him.

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