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Re: Show HN: I made a modern web UI for Wikipedia

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post #59

Wikipedia itself is also working on a new UI: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improveme... The English Wikipedia isn't one of the "early adopter wikis" but if you visit, say, the French-language Wikipedia you can see the changes (e.g., different width to improve readability).

Wow, it's much more readable (though a bit disjointed):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computing#History

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informatique#Histoire

Re: Show HN: I made a modern web UI for Wikipedia

#192

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No, it won't. There is no clear distinction between mobile and tablet first of all.

Orientation and width not enough?

When I pin a browser to the left or right side of one of my monitors, these sites will often go into mobile mode despite the fact that the browser is still wide enough that desktop mode works fine, merely because the window is now taller than it is wide. And I find that incredibly annoying.

Re: Show HN: I made a modern web UI for Wikipedia

#193
post #6

OP, thanks for making this, I bet it was fun to build. That being said, I want someone to do the opposite of what this does. Less chrome, less bytes over the wire, less predictive search, less "flatness?", less timely, more timeless .

Oh dang, yeah. An extension that makes the whole web look and work like the default Mediawiki skin would be glorious. And _fast_. I miss windows having borders. Just dug up a registry hack (obscene that such a thing was needed) to force win10 to have window borders again, because I keep ending up in situations where I honestly couldn't tell where one ends and the other begins. They spent decades researching and build…

The default MediaWiki theme is available, along with a handful of others, if you create an account.

Re: Show HN: I made a modern web UI for Wikipedia

#194

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Correct, and my claim is that there should be no such concept as "giving out a link to the standard Wikipedia page." Regardless of what type of device I'm using, I should be able to share the URL for that page to someone else regardless of what type of device they're using. The URL should literally be the uniform locator of that resource and shouldn't contain any semantics about any particular user agent's device. Th…

> Regardless of what type of device I'm using, I should be able to share the URL for that page to someone else regardless of what type of device they're using. The URL should literally be the uniform locator of that resource and shouldn't contain any semantics about any particular user agent's device. As I just pointed out, and you somehow misunderstood, this is the exact behavior of the mobile page. It is not the be…

I haven't misunderstood. I simply disagree. If I am on a public web page of a particular resource I should be able to share the URL to anyone else. Neither my user agent nor the other party's user agent should matter. It is ludicrous (and in fact essentially impossible) to check how a URL behaves in every possible user agent before sharing that URL with someone. If I'm on the Wikipedia page for London, I ought to be able to share that URL with anyone using any user agent. If I cannot do that, that is the responsibility of the web site administrators.

Re: Show HN: I made a modern web UI for Wikipedia

#195
I discovered the other day that the mobile version of Wikipedia _while on desktop_ is AMAZING.

Check this out: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Yeager

It's nicely justified for reading. Superfluous interface is almost entirely eliminated compared to desktop view. It's just such a clean, elegant view for reading a Wikipedia page.

Re: Show HN: I made a modern web UI for Wikipedia

#196
post #74

I am one of those people who actually like Wikipedia the way it is. It's what I hoped the web to become. But i am sure there are people who will appreciate your effort. Thank you for your work.

I agree with you except the one pain point that Wikipedia still continues to use "m.*" sub-domains for displaying mobile content. I know most people exclusively use mobile these days but I use desktop browsers for reading more than 60% of the time and its really annoying to click on a Wikipedia link on HN/Reddit and having it open the mobile site on desktop. It's OK to use m.* subdomains instead of reactive design bu…

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Re: Show HN: I made a modern web UI for Wikipedia

#197
post #74

I am one of those people who actually like Wikipedia the way it is. It's what I hoped the web to become. But i am sure there are people who will appreciate your effort. Thank you for your work.

I agree with you except the one pain point that Wikipedia still continues to use "m.*" sub-domains for displaying mobile content. I know most people exclusively use mobile these days but I use desktop browsers for reading more than 60% of the time and its really annoying to click on a Wikipedia link on HN/Reddit and having it open the mobile site on desktop. It's OK to use m.* subdomains instead of reactive design bu…

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T214998

Re: Show HN: I made a modern web UI for Wikipedia

#198

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I'm with you on links being distracting, but it seems you... nuked them entirely, which maybe goes too far haha? I guess you can always go back to source if you want that.

I just moved them to the bottom of the article. In part this is because I feel inline links on wikipedia often lets you overestimate how well you comprehend a subject. It's as though the fact that there is a link over a word makes you think you could go check what that is, and therefore that you probably understand the word. Actually looking up some term mid sentence is also probably not particularly helpful for unde…

Oh, ha, I didn't even notice that. Ok, I like that!

I was actually looking at the footnote links, and those do indeed seem to be missing entirely -- as well as the whole references section. Arguably that's more important than links to "definition" wiki pages, so it forms the basis for the knowledge (vs mostly just definitions).

Re: Show HN: I made a modern web UI for Wikipedia

#200

I recently discovered that if you're logged into Wikipedia, you can customize the UI completely. You can, of course, choose different themes. But you can also upload custom CSS and Javascript! Link to image of preferences page - https://ibb.co/Kbfh1QQ

Yeah I’m not actually sure why more people don’t know this.
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