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Class-action suit filed against Meta for facilitating Rohingya Genocide [pdf]

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#101
post #97

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The amount of hubris involved here is staggering — and exactly why the neocons failed at their goals of reshaping the Middle East. Our idea of a “proper government” may not align with the local population. This was certainly the case in Afghanistan; while yes, the Taliban are bad dudes with really regressive ideas about women, the country largely does support the Taliban for reasons that are missed by outside observe…

> the country largely does support the Taliban. It did not support Taliban. It has done so after 2 decades of Karzai, Ghani, and complete incompetence of US at building a political system, and the government from scam artists, and then doing god knows what with them. Just like in Iraq.

If we did such a bad job in Afghanistan and Iraq why do you think the US would do a better job in Myanmar?

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#102
post #44

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> "Wiped out clean" means what? Which means nothing remaining standing of the fixed infrastructure of Burmese army, and nothing moving remaining of its vehicles. Burma has a strong, nation-wide oppositionary movement, which is now trampled by an even more powerful, and cutthroat Burmese army. Without two things aforementioned, the balance will change. An aid of small arms supplies will be enough for the opposition to…

> Burma has a strong, nation-wide oppositionary movement, which is now trampled by an even more powerful, and cutthroat Burmese army. >Without two things aforementioned, the balance will change. An aid of small arms supplies will be enough for the opposition to win, and unite the country. This sounds a lot like what I remember hearing about the Iraq invasion, how we would be hailed as liberators.

> This sounds a lot like what I remember hearing about the Iraq invasion, how we would be hailed as liberators.

We were, and then the whitehouse had to completely waste all of this goodwill, install Allawi, oust Allawi, fire up the whole Sunni-Shia thing, and then install Maliki as a counter.

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#103
post #91

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I don’t doubt the algorithm prioritizes popular content. But how you go from that to saying the algorithm prioritizes genocidal content I don’t know.

It might not be intentional, but there's a pretty good chance that it does lead to extremism. I haven't read it, but perhaps the UN report has more information. I believe it could be true because it doesn't seem that different from reports[1] a few years ago talking about how YouTube would push more and more extreme suggestions. IIRC YouTube made changes pushing people towards more mainstream content and away from sm…

There is no law against doing things that tend to encourage extremism. For example, it's would be perfectly legal for a communist to state in general terms that we should execute all rich people as class enemies. Now obviously that's a horrible thing to say, but it isn't illegal.

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#104
post #103

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It might not be intentional, but there's a pretty good chance that it does lead to extremism. I haven't read it, but perhaps the UN report has more information. I believe it could be true because it doesn't seem that different from reports[1] a few years ago talking about how YouTube would push more and more extreme suggestions. IIRC YouTube made changes pushing people towards more mainstream content and away from sm…

There is no law against doing things that tend to encourage extremism. For example, it's would be perfectly legal for a communist to state in general terms that we should execute all rich people as class enemies. Now obviously that's a horrible thing to say, but it isn't illegal.

There doesn't have to be a law against something for a jury to find you responsible for damages. This is a civil suit, right?

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#105
post #59

Will there be actual personal responsibility for management and engineers involved?

Doesn't that presume guilt a bit? The whole point of a trial is to see if there is guilt, and if so maybe which parties are guilty will be shown (in the case of a company).

This is a civil trial. If it goes forward then the court will determine liability, not guilt.

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#106
post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The amount of hubris involved here is staggering — and exactly why the neocons failed at their goals of reshaping the Middle East. Our idea of a “proper government” may not align with the local population. This was certainly the case in Afghanistan; while yes, the Taliban are bad dudes with really regressive ideas about women, the country largely does support the Taliban for reasons that are missed by outside observe…

> the country largely does support the Taliban. It did not support Taliban. It has done so after 2 decades of Karzai, Ghani, and complete incompetence of US at building a political system, and the government from scam artists, and then doing god knows what with them. Just like in Iraq.

We tried to find other people. Anyone with internal support was either too religious or too communist for our tastes, so we picked Karzai and his friends in the opium trade over anyone with actual ideological support (Karzai had tepid support from the opium farmers since he was their buyer, which was good enough for the US government).

If you think things would be any different in Myanmar — home of the golden triangle — you haven’t been paying attention to the lessons of the last 20 years.

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#107

Governments should form an international institution to regulate the algorithms used by social media and search engines. The goal of this institution should strictly be to ensure that algorithms of big tech companies: - Are impartial to specific (especially large) corporate or political interests. - Promote decentralization. Economic decentralization is necessary to ensure that markets remain competitive (which is go…

No thanks. I don't want repressive authoritarian regimes like Saudi Arabia or Australia to have any control over my social media feeds.

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#108
post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might not be intentional, but there's a pretty good chance that it does lead to extremism. I haven't read it, but perhaps the UN report has more information. I believe it could be true because it doesn't seem that different from reports[1] a few years ago talking about how YouTube would push more and more extreme suggestions. IIRC YouTube made changes pushing people towards more mainstream content and away from sm…

There is no law against doing things that tend to encourage extremism. For example, it's would be perfectly legal for a communist to state in general terms that we should execute all rich people as class enemies. Now obviously that's a horrible thing to say, but it isn't illegal.

Well, if it was a communist state there wouldn't be any rich people to execute, that's kinda the whole point.

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#109
post #5

The Western world needs to resume to exert power, or let its inability to do so be seen as a weakness, a weakness which will invite further trouble. Burmese regime is one of world's most unruly, despotic, prolific, and it can be wiped out clean by US military with ease, without involving any of its allies. https://www.rfa.org/english/news/myanmar/military-rape-12032...

There are several active armed rebel groups in Myanmar. Feel free to join up and fight the regime yourself.

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#110
post #85

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During both of your options, how do you think China reacts to a massive US military invasion literally on its border? Option 1, likely results in the government of Myanmar suddenly possessing dozens of previously unknown SAM batteries that just appeared as well as tens of thousands of troops that just materialized overnight wearing brand new Myanmar uniforms. The US loses thousands of troops and hundreds of billions…

> During both of your options, how do you think China reacts to a massive US military invasion literally on its border? Very nasty, it will scare them beyond all heavens. And this is why you do it. You make enemies afraid of you, so they don't attack you, and your allies. > The us has a logistical nightmare where it has to move troops and resources halfway across the world. 1. US has just got a nuclear ally in Asia.…

That's how you gift PRC a firm client state with naval base and infra that circumvents Malacca and mitigates Andaman & Nicobar. US can only maximize logistics with forward staging, which is still tiny compared to Myanmar / PRC land routes, who can support Tatmadaw indefinitely, with little green men if need be. Regardless, unlikely anyone in the region will allow it, least of all India, whose already dealing with border instability and weakening security environment due to western bloc sanctioning Tatmadaw, ruining India's Act East strategy. PRC supported/loyal Tatmadaw is nightmare scenario for India. Also SKorea, Japan, Singapore - basically anyone that's remotely US friendly wants to protect their Myanmar investments, as far as I know, none of them are even on the sanction train.

At most you'll have US sorting out of CSGs, close to SLOC choke points, scaring everyone in ASEAN and making mockery of US's PRC containment propaganda, while PRC takes opportunity to gather intelligence and maybe give Myanmar military new PRC military platforms to test in real world scenarios. Which could actually go either way.

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