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Class-action suit filed against Meta for facilitating Rohingya Genocide [pdf]

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Post by colinmhayes »

baybal2 wrote: post #71
wonderwonder wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, and then how long do we leave troops there for? another 20 years and then we leave and everything goes back to the way it was? Conceptually I am all for the overthrow of despots and tyrants but the reality is we cannot keep sending the youth of America to various spots around the world to fight and die. America has a myriad of issues at home including spiraling inflation and we can ill afford to print more US d…

> Sure, and then how long do we leave troops there for? another 20 years and then we leave and everything goes back to the way it was? 1 option. Just destroy fixed assets, and most armour. US can do it in a few months of logistical preparations, and 1 week high intensity campaign. 2 option. Yes, but now build proper military hardpoint bases, and a proper government

The genocide has popular support. They don't need any weapons at all to carry out this genocide since it's the peoples wish. If you think setting up puppet government is a path to success you haven't been paying attention to the last 80 years of us history.

Re: Class-action suit filed against Meta for facilitating Rohingya Genocide [pdf]

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Post by FridayoLeary »

_blz2 wrote: post #74

Will someone do the same against Twitter for the Arab springs which lead to the rise of ISIS?

Why not against Western countries who did far more to create ISIS then merely be a passive communication platform?

Re: Class-action suit filed against Meta for facilitating Rohingya Genocide [pdf]

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Post by criddell »

shadowgovt wrote: post #65
bikeshaving wrote: post #14

Between the UN fact-finding mission saying Facebook played a “determining role” in the genocide, the Bosworth memo, and the shit ton of access we now have thanks to the whistleblower, how is this not a strong case?

It's going to get into some very thick first-amendment weeds before section 230 protections are even introduced. Where do we draw the culpability line? Should Facebook have been legally obligated to ban those posts? If so, then if next week a failed coup attempt occurs in Burma to try and overthrow the military power that took control, should Facebook be held accountable for aiding and abetting the coup? We rapidly c…

Does the first amendment and section 230 mean anything in Burma?

Re: Class-action suit filed against Meta for facilitating Rohingya Genocide [pdf]

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Post by asow92 »

iso1631 wrote: post #51
asow92 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Class action suit filed against Facebook's Parent company, Meta" Easy fix. Just look at Google / Alphabet reporting.

But that's not what the headline says

The poster of this PDF link chose the headline and who here at HN doesn't know who Meta are? Also read the Plaintiff in the document:

Plaintiff, v. META PLATFORMS, INC. (f/k/a Facebook, Inc.), a Delaware corporation

Re: Class-action suit filed against Meta for facilitating Rohingya Genocide [pdf]

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Post by baybal2 »

wonderwonder wrote: post #79
baybal2 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sure, and then how long do we leave troops there for? another 20 years and then we leave and everything goes back to the way it was? 1 option. Just destroy fixed assets, and most armour. US can do it in a few months of logistical preparations, and 1 week high intensity campaign. 2 option. Yes, but now build proper military hardpoint bases, and a proper government

During both of your options, how do you think China reacts to a massive US military invasion literally on its border? Option 1, likely results in the government of Myanmar suddenly possessing dozens of previously unknown SAM batteries that just appeared as well as tens of thousands of troops that just materialized overnight wearing brand new Myanmar uniforms. The US loses thousands of troops and hundreds of billions…

> During both of your options, how do you think China reacts to a massive US military invasion literally on its border?

Very nasty, it will scare them beyond all heavens. And this is why you do it. You make enemies afraid of you, so they don't attack you, and your allies.

> The us has a logistical nightmare where it has to move troops and resources halfway across the world.

1. US has just got a nuclear ally in Asia. A rather untrusting ally for now. Dispell its doubts with show of determination.

2. US military logistics ability is bigger than the rest of the world's militaries combined.

Re: Class-action suit filed against Meta for facilitating Rohingya Genocide [pdf]

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Post by shadowgovt »

criddell wrote: post #83
shadowgovt wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's going to get into some very thick first-amendment weeds before section 230 protections are even introduced. Where do we draw the culpability line? Should Facebook have been legally obligated to ban those posts? If so, then if next week a failed coup attempt occurs in Burma to try and overthrow the military power that took control, should Facebook be held accountable for aiding and abetting the coup? We rapidly c…

Does the first amendment and section 230 mean anything in Burma?

The suit was filed in the state of California and would be judged under US law.

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Post by cryptica »

Governments should form an international institution to regulate the algorithms used by social media and search engines. The goal of this institution should strictly be to ensure that algorithms of big tech companies:

- Are impartial to specific (especially large) corporate or political interests.

- Promote decentralization.

Economic decentralization is necessary to ensure that markets remain competitive (which is good for consumers) and it limits how much power any specific entity has over society.

Re: Class-action suit filed against Meta for facilitating Rohingya Genocide [pdf]

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Post by bighoss97 »

There's this WP article https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/10/26/faceboo...

where they bend the truth. The headline is "5 points for an angry emoji, one for a like", but in reality it's 5 points for any emoji at all, and one for a like. Which I think makes sense, hitting like is something that's automatic for a lot of people, whereas taking the time to select an emoji that most closely matches your reaction to a post is a much more "engaged" interaction.

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Post by merpnderp »

throwawaycities wrote: post #73
throw7 wrote: post #35

Reminds me of IBM and WW2. Maybe a class action suit should be drawn up for IBM also?

Plenty of companies have been sued and paid out claims for their use of forced Jewish labor and other wrongs during WW2.

And yet plenty of American corporations are using slave labor today. Wonder where those lawsuits are, or has Congress shielded them from consequences.

Re: Class-action suit filed against Meta for facilitating Rohingya Genocide [pdf]

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Post by wayoutthere »

baybal2 wrote: post #71
wonderwonder wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, and then how long do we leave troops there for? another 20 years and then we leave and everything goes back to the way it was? Conceptually I am all for the overthrow of despots and tyrants but the reality is we cannot keep sending the youth of America to various spots around the world to fight and die. America has a myriad of issues at home including spiraling inflation and we can ill afford to print more US d…

> Sure, and then how long do we leave troops there for? another 20 years and then we leave and everything goes back to the way it was? 1 option. Just destroy fixed assets, and most armour. US can do it in a few months of logistical preparations, and 1 week high intensity campaign. 2 option. Yes, but now build proper military hardpoint bases, and a proper government

The amount of hubris involved here is staggering — and exactly why the neocons failed at their goals of reshaping the Middle East.

Our idea of a “proper government” may not align with the local population. This was certainly the case in Afghanistan; while yes, the Taliban are bad dudes with really regressive ideas about women, the country largely does support the Taliban for reasons that are missed by outside observers.

This is inconvenient for the US, but as a key bottleneck on the Silk Road, Afghanistan has essentially always been at war and some version of the Taliban have always defended the country. Their history is romanticized locally. We didn’t really grok that when we went in; and we were absolutely shocked when the locals basically said “you guys will leave eventually and we will have to deal with the Taliban, so we can’t piss them off because we need them for the next invasion”. Whatever “proper government” we build will be made up of the unsavory characters we leave behind when we exit.

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