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Class-action suit filed against Meta for facilitating Rohingya Genocide [pdf]

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post #30

Will there be actual personal responsibility for management and engineers involved?

Nobody below the C-level would have any real responsibility in a case like this.

Did accountants, engineers, and other staff, receive sentences for participation in other genocides? Serious question.

Re: Class-action suit filed against Meta for facilitating Rohingya Genocide [pdf]

#42
post #5

The Western world needs to resume to exert power, or let its inability to do so be seen as a weakness, a weakness which will invite further trouble. Burmese regime is one of world's most unruly, despotic, prolific, and it can be wiped out clean by US military with ease, without involving any of its allies. https://www.rfa.org/english/news/myanmar/military-rape-12032...

"Wiped out clean" means what?

I'm going to be very generous and your phrasing which sounds like you mean the US should commit ethnic cleansing.

I guess you mean the US should invade, occupy the country, impose new laws and police them. I guess you believe this because that has gone so well in the past.

Re: Class-action suit filed against Meta for facilitating Rohingya Genocide [pdf]

#43
post #5

The Western world needs to resume to exert power, or let its inability to do so be seen as a weakness, a weakness which will invite further trouble. Burmese regime is one of world's most unruly, despotic, prolific, and it can be wiped out clean by US military with ease, without involving any of its allies. https://www.rfa.org/english/news/myanmar/military-rape-12032...

Sure, and then how long do we leave troops there for? another 20 years and then we leave and everything goes back to the way it was? Conceptually I am all for the overthrow of despots and tyrants but the reality is we cannot keep sending the youth of America to various spots around the world to fight and die. America has a myriad of issues at home including spiraling inflation and we can ill afford to print more US dollars to fund an occupation in Asia. Not to mention China would not respond well to US forces occupying a country on their border; it would likely become a proxy war in the same way Vietnam did; might even prompt them to invade Taiwan forcing America to fight a war on 2 fronts. Ideas that seem straight forward in concept often turn into bloody quagmires when exposed to the realities of global politics.

Re: Class-action suit filed against Meta for facilitating Rohingya Genocide [pdf]

#44
post #5

The Western world needs to resume to exert power, or let its inability to do so be seen as a weakness, a weakness which will invite further trouble. Burmese regime is one of world's most unruly, despotic, prolific, and it can be wiped out clean by US military with ease, without involving any of its allies. https://www.rfa.org/english/news/myanmar/military-rape-12032...

"Wiped out clean" means what? I'm going to be very generous and your phrasing which sounds like you mean the US should commit ethnic cleansing. I guess you mean the US should invade, occupy the country, impose new laws and police them. I guess you believe this because that has gone so well in the past.

> "Wiped out clean" means what?

Which means nothing remaining standing of the fixed infrastructure of Burmese army, and nothing moving remaining of its vehicles.

Burma has a strong, nation-wide oppositionary movement, which is now trampled by an even more powerful, and cutthroat Burmese army.

Without two things aforementioned, the balance will change. An aid of small arms supplies will be enough for the opposition to win, and unite the country.

It's only now, a once in 100 years opportunity came — to stop warring ethnic armies killing each other, in face of a common enemy with the Burmese ethnic majority.

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post #10
post #4

Starting to wonder if the name became "Meta" so that the headlines wouldn't read "Class action suit filed against Facebook" or "Scandal involving Facebook".

There used to be some telecom company in my country, who had some TV personality in all of their TV ads. Then, one day he wasn't in the ads anymore. It had been said that they stopped putting him in the ads, because the audience tends to associate negative emotions with a person more easily than with abstract concepts. Perhaps something similar is going on with some of these tech companies, where they use some really…

Maybe they should stop putting Zuck in front of cameras. I associate strong negative emotions with him.

Re: Class-action suit filed against Meta for facilitating Rohingya Genocide [pdf]

#46
post #31
post #4

Starting to wonder if the name became "Meta" so that the headlines wouldn't read "Class action suit filed against Facebook" or "Scandal involving Facebook".

I think this is overthinking it. Mark Zuckerberg is the head of the world's most mundane tech company at the moment, so he changed the name and the focus of the company to try and dig out of this hole.

Not gonna lie, I always thought slightly worse of Facebook just because of the name. Not on purpose, it just seemed a silly name for such a large company. It's like if Toys "R" Us somehow became a powerhouse of a company you heard about all the time.

It probably says more about me and my perceptions of social networks than anything else, and my perceptions of Facebook from the early days persisting with the name. But that's the thing with names, they don't matter. Except they actually do a little bit.

Re: Class-action suit filed against Meta for facilitating Rohingya Genocide [pdf]

#47
post #13

This reminds me of something I’ve been mulling over for a while. Should it be illegal for a media outlet to publish the untested claims of a lawsuit? I’ve seen this behavior all too often. “XYZ happened, person A did this, claims new suit”. You can sue over just about anything, and make whatever absurd claims you want. People see these headlines and believe as if they have been settled in court when this is almost ne…

Lawsuits are public records at the time they are filed, which in general is one of the foundational principles of the US. This is done for a good reason, so that judges and prosecutors can be held accountable.

Re: Class-action suit filed against Meta for facilitating Rohingya Genocide [pdf]

#48
post #5

The Western world needs to resume to exert power, or let its inability to do so be seen as a weakness, a weakness which will invite further trouble. Burmese regime is one of world's most unruly, despotic, prolific, and it can be wiped out clean by US military with ease, without involving any of its allies. https://www.rfa.org/english/news/myanmar/military-rape-12032...

> Burmese regime is one of world's most unruly, despotic, prolific, and it can be wiped out clean by US military with ease, without involving any of its allies

Maybe you missed the memo, but there is plenty of precedent for US getting its ass handed to it trying to "clean up" despotic states in SE Asia.

And as far as doing it without allies, to quote Robert McNamara:

> What makes us omniscient? Have we a record of omniscience? We are the strongest nation in the world today. I do not believe we should ever apply that economic, political, or military power unilaterally. If we had followed that rule in Vietnam, we wouldn't have been there! None of our allies supported us; not Japan, not Germany, not Britain or France. If we can't persuade nations with comparable values of the merit of our cause, we'd better reexamine our reasoning.

Re: Class-action suit filed against Meta for facilitating Rohingya Genocide [pdf]

#49

Will there be actual personal responsibility for management and engineers involved?

Well, Zuck did retain 51% control of the company. If there are any knives out in the org structure, I bet they'd be delighted to watch him take the blame. Plus aren't all the expensive lawyers tied up with Maxwell and Trump's allies right now?

Re: Class-action suit filed against Meta for facilitating Rohingya Genocide [pdf]

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post #21
post #13

This reminds me of something I’ve been mulling over for a while. Should it be illegal for a media outlet to publish the untested claims of a lawsuit? I’ve seen this behavior all too often. “XYZ happened, person A did this, claims new suit”. You can sue over just about anything, and make whatever absurd claims you want. People see these headlines and believe as if they have been settled in court when this is almost ne…

My one firmly held view about reporting on lawsuits is that it should be stigmatized to publish an article that doesn't also publish the docket number. It's just cruel and shortsighted for the reporter to have the complaint right in front of them and not (1) publish the docket number and venue so readers can look up the current state of the case themselves; maybe also (2) publish the PDF.

TechDirt is pretty good in this regard: they provide the PDFs which have the docket numbers on them.
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