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OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by rrrazdan »

lallysingh wrote: post #72
tptacek wrote: post #57

First, I think that to be fair, if you're going to say someone is having a "Vista Moment", they have to have bet a significant chunk of the company on the OS. When iOS 7 blows up, talk about Apple's "Vista Moment". Second, I think there's an implication here that prior releases of OS X have been great. They have not been great. Snow Leopard was solid, because that was its only goal. Much of what Apple has attempted w…

Additionally, let's remember that lion's a $30 upgrade, which makes things sting quite a bit less.

I fail to see why I should lower my expectations from my Operating System because of the price.

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by ephelon »

KirinDave wrote: post #64
tptacek wrote: post #57

First, I think that to be fair, if you're going to say someone is having a "Vista Moment", they have to have bet a significant chunk of the company on the OS. When iOS 7 blows up, talk about Apple's "Vista Moment". Second, I think there's an implication here that prior releases of OS X have been great. They have not been great. Snow Leopard was solid, because that was its only goal. Much of what Apple has attempted w…

This is an interesting perspective. Come to think of it, Leopard did frustrate me a lot. I think I just got really fat and happy on Snow Leopard, and now that rug has been ripped away from me.

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that you rolled that rug up and threw it away to make space for the new and shiny rug. Too bad the new rug still has some moths.

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by ori_b »

lallysingh wrote: post #72
tptacek wrote: post #57

First, I think that to be fair, if you're going to say someone is having a "Vista Moment", they have to have bet a significant chunk of the company on the OS. When iOS 7 blows up, talk about Apple's "Vista Moment". Second, I think there's an implication here that prior releases of OS X have been great. They have not been great. Snow Leopard was solid, because that was its only goal. Much of what Apple has attempted w…

Additionally, let's remember that lion's a $30 upgrade, which makes things sting quite a bit less.

It's not the cost of the upgrade that matters. It's the cost of lost productivity and regressions.

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by mrtron »

KirinDave wrote: post #60
narkee wrote: post #3

I don't experience any of the issues the guy mentions in his article. Sometimes I wonder how some people's configurations get so wonky that they have all these issues. It's clearly an atypical case.

I've experienced my own set of issues (oh god the kernel panics), but really, you haven't experienced anything he mentions? You don't feel like Mission control is a pretty big step backwards from even the old spaces UI (on a single monitor, it is)? You really haven't had problems or questions with the new fullscreen behavior? You think Launchpad is not pointless? You've _never_ had action misses on drag-and-drop to t…

I used spaces before and prefer mission control. I also have an external monitor so I am not sure what he is talking about it not supporting a second screen.

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by Groxx »

Mail crashes a lot? It's been more stable than Snow Leopard's, for me. I generally leave it running for a few days at a go, consuming >1000 emails per day, and it's even starting and searching and everything more quickly than the previous version with less than 1/4 of the messages.

Mission control and launchpad - generally a miss, but not horrific. Address book, on the other hand...

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by orangecat »

llambda wrote: post #63
tseabrooks wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hah! I don't actually believe it was to "hurt" anyone, It was just a bit of hyperbole. I do, however, think that Apple's vision for the future of desktop computing is sans multiple monitors.

> I do, however, think that Apple's vision for the future of desktop computing is sans multiple monitors. Because they fudged support in the initial release of Lion? Get real. If you're so effected by it, downgrade until there's an update that fixes it. But don't assume that the workstation of choice among graphic artists is going to completely drop multi-monitor support just because it isn't exactly how you want it…

Apple will take money from pro users but doesn't care about them at all from a strategic perspective. See Final Cut Pro X and the total lack of consideration for businesses running the previous version. No, Mac OS X won't suddenly drop support for multiple monitors, but I don't expect Apple to devote much time to making new features work well with them.

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by Caballera »

narkee wrote: post #3

I don't experience any of the issues the guy mentions in his article. Sometimes I wonder how some people's configurations get so wonky that they have all these issues. It's clearly an atypical case.

I have to agree, I'm not having any issues with Lion. Everyone I know that has a Mac or Macbook has updated to Lion without any issues and I've heard no complaints. The biggest issue I did see was one friend that had problems with plug-ins for Adobe Illustrator (i think it was) which was fixed within days.

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by lzm »

evan_ wrote: post #67
lzm wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm having the same experience. I got a 2011 Air (my first Mac) and Lion seems pretty decent. Scrolling feels natural, and everything seems to work as it should. My only complaints are the keyboard (as a programmer I really miss home/end/page up/page down), and that I can't reopen closed tabs in Safari.

fn+arrow keys do home/end/page up/page down.

I know about that, but those arrow keys are so tiny. It becomes even more awkward if I want to select text (e.g. shift-fn-left).

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by Caballera »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #2

Really don't agree with his assessment. I'm loving Lion - Pretty much all the little updates have improved my experience of OS X.

Yep Yep, same here. I was hating on the scrolling for the first couple of hours, but now I'm completely use to it and it works great.

I haven't hear anyone complain about Lion in my office or on a personal basis and the people I know would complain if they saw an issue.

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