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SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by junon »

pmarreck wrote: post #148
junon wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your first link's sample pool was high schoolers and young 20 y/os - people who haven't had their brains fully form yet (which happens around 25). Further, it was funded by the Australian department of health, so ehhh who knows what sort of biases exist there. I can't even open your second link. Picking sources from a Google search generally doesn't help to back up whatever point you're trying to make fwiw.

Here's what his second link landed on, for me: https://accp1.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdfdirect/10.1002/...

Thanks. I don't think that person actually read the study, they just wanted to slap some things onto their bias to prove their point - as I said.

That study tested the effects of withdrawal within long-term users, and the cognitive impairment resulting from that, over 28 days of abstinence.

From the conclusion:

> It is unclear whether these deficits might be attributable to a residue of cannabinoids in the central nervous system or to withdrawal effects from abruptly stopping cannabis, although both factors likely contribute. In any event, our data suggest that these deficits are largely or completely reversible after 28 days of abstinence.

So, this study found no evidence long-term permanent cognitive impairment, which does nothing to prove the point the person who posted it was trying to make.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by xeromal »

primitivesuave wrote: post #70

I love that these small businesses are keeping more of their hard-earned money, but I don’t really think this will have any noticeable effect on their sales. As someone who exclusively purchases cannabis flower, I will only use the dispensaries when my trusted guy is out, and for only the smallest possible quantity until my guy is back up. A majority of dispensary customers are looking for cannabis-infused beverages,…

Hear Hear.

I didn't partake of anything cannabis related until it became legal in my state. I felt like I had too much to lose getting caught and losing my livelihood. Like you said, Beverages and edibles are what I consume as I've never been a fan of smoking due to health concerns. I didn't even know prices were high. lol

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by xeromal »

detaro wrote: post #179
xeromal wrote: post #174

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You'd pay cash to a local dealer too so I don't really see the difference there.

Don't they take payment apps? Also if the illegal competition is that much cheaper, not being more convenient is one more point against them.

I doubt most take payment apps. I'm sure most are savvy enough to know their transactions are being monitored.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by junon »

darthrupert wrote: post #158
junon wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you've not stated any studies backing this up. You're just passing by like a judgmental parent.

And why does that seem to worry you so much? Do you worry that I'm right, or am I offending you by saying this?

Because such assertions should be based on evidence.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by InfiniteRand »

darthrupert wrote: post #43
bryans wrote: post #24

In most recreational states, cannabis is taxed heavily at every step in the supply chain, so the highest quality still ends up being very expensive -- upward of $400/oz. The black market has the exact same quality at the wholesale price, typically 40-60% less than retail, with the added bonus of not having the government involved. For a daily or heavy smoker, a ~50% discount is a massive amount of money.

50% is worth the diminshed crime, and nobody should consume cannabis daily.

Health wise, what is the impact of the smoking aspect of marijuana (vs other delivery methods), really just idly curious about this

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by buildsjets »

Justsignedup wrote: post #144
dumbfoundded wrote: post #39

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Additionally the taxes create operational overhead to stay compliant. Every product follows a chain of custody similar to pharmaceuticals. Even the scales used must be of the same spec used for gold weighing and cost roughly $1,500 each. It's not just the dispensaries but the wholesalers, processors, and cultivators need to buy these scales and register them once a year with the state for $100. Furthermore the batche…

As enforcement is winding down, weed dispensaries are competing against near slave wage labor. That's the problem. Illegal weed is basically being created outside the US with labor who barely gets paid, of course the cost will be higher. Because it's being imported via illegal channels this is now a customs problem. My bet is that the way to solve this would be to create a legal weed import policy, letting it sit the…

Lol! Weed is barely imported anymore. Seizures at the border have been on a continuous downward trend since 2000. Imports are now close to miniscule. It’s illegally grown domestically, whether that be guerrilla grows in the national forest, or massive warehouses in plain sight.

https://www.princetonpolicy.com/ppa-blog/2018/5/15/we-are-wi...

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R45812.pdf

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/oregon-state-police-seiz...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/marijuana-seized-california-bil...

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by adolph »

colechristensen wrote: post #7
pjbeam wrote: post #5

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Dealers are more likely to make house calls?

I don’t know, when I lived in Mountain View I could get (legal) cannabis delivered faster than pizza.

In pizza's defense it isn't often delivered in a "bake at home" state.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by golergka »

hackingthelema wrote: post #169
MisterTea wrote: post #149

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> For a daily or heavy smoker, a ~50% discount is a massive amount of money. Its more than that. I have a few dispensarys in CA and the experience is shit. The places are loaded with cash because they cant legally accept credit or debit cards. So you have to bring cash or use their ATM and get charged a withdrawal fee. This also means they are targets for robbery so security at these places is crazy with guards, wait…

> Its more than that. I have a few dispensarys in CA and the experience is shit. The places are loaded with cash because they cant legally accept credit or debit cards. So you have to bring cash or use their ATM and get charged a withdrawal fee. This also means they are targets for robbery so security at these places is crazy with guards, waiting rooms and check points. This meeans you have to wait upwards of 20 minu…

It's wild hearing that in other countries drug dealers still accept cash and meet people in person. Although prices for practically everything are way higher here (10g would cost you about 200$ or more), the convenience of using bitcoin and not having to meet a single soul to make a purchase at any hour of the day still outweighs it for me.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by monocasa »

bryans wrote: post #24

In most recreational states, cannabis is taxed heavily at every step in the supply chain, so the highest quality still ends up being very expensive -- upward of $400/oz. The black market has the exact same quality at the wholesale price, typically 40-60% less than retail, with the added bonus of not having the government involved. For a daily or heavy smoker, a ~50% discount is a massive amount of money.

Which states? Oregon, and Colorado are no where near that, and quality $125/oz can be found.
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