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A cartel of influential datasets are dominating machine learning research

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Re: A cartel of influential datasets are dominating machine learning research

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A little confused: Are these big "dominant" institutions charging for this data? No, the spend a lot of resources putting them together and give them away free. Are they preventing others from giving away data? No, but it costs a lot and they bear that cost. Are they forcing smaller institutions to use their data? No. Its just a free resource they offer. Do they get the grants themselves because they have some kind o…

>The problem is not even posed as "well, this data is overfitted in papers or we are solving narrower problems". I mean it does get into that: "They additionally note that blind adherence to this small number of ‘gold’ datasets encourages researchers to achieve results that are overfitted (i.e. that are dataset-specific and not likely to perform anywhere near as well on real-world data, on new academic or original da…

True, I guess my complaint is that they don't get into the mechanisms.

The sibling comment on benchmark lottery paper lays this out. But I should modify.

Re: A cartel of influential datasets are dominating machine learning research

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Right? I thought so too, but this is the first definition from the American heritage dictionary: > A combination of independent business organizations formed to regulate production, pricing, and marketing of goods by the members. And it does seem to apply ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

They're not regulating anything. They just make the best datasets and those are the ones that get used

Legal regulation, no, but in the sense of having groups of internal people approving the release of data, data cleanup processes, data input, etc etc etc... yes, it's 100% regulated. At least in the cybernetics sense.

Re: A cartel of influential datasets are dominating machine learning research

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The word "cartel" is too negative, especially when discussing political and social factors. The narrative seems written, before their findings. Or at least, it could well have.

For a computer science analogy: It is a paper with the finding that most successful computer languages are created at prestigious institutes. An obvious -not a bad - finding. Not like you could give the motivation, skills, expertise, resources, and time to a small new institute, and expect these to come up with a new language which the community will adopt.

Yes, if you write and publish a good data set, and it gets adopted by the community, then you gain lots of citations. This reward is known, and therefore some researchers expend the effort of gathering and curating all this data.

It is not a "vehicle for inequality in science". Benchmarks in ML are a way to create an equal playing field for all, and allows one to compare results. Picking a non-standard new benchmark to evaluate your algorithm is bad practice. And benchmarks are the true meritocracy. Beat the benchmark, and you too can publish. No matter the PR or extra resources from big labs. It is test evaluation that counts, and this makes it fair. Other fields may have authorities writing papers without even an evaluation. That's not a good position for a field to be in.

> The prima facie scientific validity granted by SOTA benchmarking is generically confounded with the social credibility researchers obtain by showing they can compete on a widely recognized dataset

Here, authors pretend social credibility of researchers has any sway. There is no social credibility for a Master's student in Bangladesh, but when they show they can compete, then they can join and publish. Wonderful!

Where the authors use the long history of train-test splits, to pose the cons have outweighed the benefits, they should reason more and provide more data to actually show this and get the field to get along. Ironically, people take more note of this very paper, due to the institution affiliation of the authors. I do too. If they had a benchmark, I would have first looked at that.

> Given the observed high concentration of research on a small number of benchmark datasets, we believe diversifying forms of evaluation is especially important to avoid overfitting to existing datasets and misrepresenting progress in the field.

I believe these authors find diversity important. But for overfitting, these should look at actual (meta-) studies and data. This seems conflicting. For instance:

> A Meta-Analysis of Overfitting in Machine Learning (2019)

> We conduct the first large meta-analysis of overfitting due to test set reuse in the machine learning community. Our analysis is based on over one hundred machine learning competitions hosted on the Kaggle platform over the course of several years. In each competition, numerous practitioners repeatedly evaluated their progress against a holdout set that forms the basis of a public ranking available throughout the competition. Performance on a separate test set used only once determined the final ranking. By systematically comparing the public ranking with the final ranking, we assess how much participants adapted to the holdout set over the course of a competition. Our study shows, somewhat surprisingly, little evidence of substantial overfitting. These findings speak to the robustness of the holdout method across different data domains, loss functions, model classes, and human analysts.

Re: A cartel of influential datasets are dominating machine learning research

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the author is suggesting that large institutions are doing this to earn extra citations - the currency of academia. A large institution can make a dataset for X then browbeat other researchers into using X and citing X. Using X also likely leads to citations of derivative work by the lead institution.

Is the term "browbeat" fair here? I don't think they're making calls and saying "Oh, nice paper, but I notice you used this other dataset..." No, they're putting out good quality datasets that people want to use. If that earns them a citation, good for them. Its the least I can do for helping me test my algo.

It depends, feedback is rarely as polite as "I noticed you used this other dataset". The feedback would probably look like.

- "Nice paper, however the results are not relevant to current research due to the use of X dataset rather than Y or Z datasets score 2/5 do not accept."

- "Nice paper, however the results are of unknown quality due to the use of X dataset 3/5 recommend poster track".

In fact I'd generally say that most paper reviews would drop the first three words of those feedbacks. It's not an unreasonable assertion that progress is measured on standard datasets - but it's also necessary to push back on this.

Re: A cartel of influential datasets are dominating machine learning research

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The problem is not even posed as "well, this data is overfitted in papers or we are solving narrower problems". I mean it does get into that: "They additionally note that blind adherence to this small number of ‘gold’ datasets encourages researchers to achieve results that are overfitted (i.e. that are dataset-specific and not likely to perform anywhere near as well on real-world data, on new academic or original da…

True, I guess my complaint is that they don't get into the mechanisms. The sibling comment on benchmark lottery paper lays this out. But I should modify.

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Re: A cartel of influential datasets are dominating machine learning research

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They're not regulating anything. They just make the best datasets and those are the ones that get used

Legal regulation, no, but in the sense of having groups of internal people approving the release of data, data cleanup processes, data input, etc etc etc... yes, it's 100% regulated. At least in the cybernetics sense.

That's true of all organizations that release data. They're regulating their own data. They're not regulating the use of that data

Re: A cartel of influential datasets are dominating machine learning research

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Too bad they don't cite the paper "The Benchmark Lottery" (M. Dehghani et al, 2021) ( https://arxiv.org/abs/2107.07002 ) > The world of empirical machine learning (ML) strongly relies on benchmarks in order to determine the relative effectiveness of different algorithms and methods. This paper proposes the notion of "a benchmark lottery" that describes the overall fragility of the ML benchmarking process. The benchma…

It's also a shame that this paper in turn doesn't cite "Testing Heuristics: We Have It All Wrong" (J. N. Hooker, 1995) (http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.71....), which discusses these issues in much the same way. It's good to see in "The Benchmark Lottery", however, that they look more into specific tasks and their algorithmic rankings and provide some sound recommendations.

One thing that I'd add (somewhat selfishly as it relates to my PhD work), is the idea of generating datasets that are deliberately challenging for different algorithms. Scale this across a test suite of algorithms, and their relative strengths and weaknesses become clearer. The caveat here is that it requires having a set of measures that quantify different types of problem difficulty, which depending on the task/domain can range from well-defined to near-impossible.

Re: A cartel of influential datasets are dominating machine learning research

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Ugh the title of the article. Here's the paper that this article is recapping - "Reduced, Reused and Recycled: The Life of a Dataset in Machine Learning Research", https://openreview.net/forum?id=zNQBIBKJRkd Abstract: "Benchmark datasets play a central role in the organization of machine learning research. They coordinate researchers around shared research problems and serve as a measure of progress towards shared go…

FWIW, this paper is being presented at NeurIPS this week.

Re: A cartel of influential datasets are dominating machine learning research

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legal regulation, no, but in the sense of having groups of internal people approving the release of data, data cleanup processes, data input, etc etc etc... yes, it's 100% regulated. At least in the cybernetics sense.

That's true of all organizations that release data. They're regulating their own data. They're not regulating the use of that data

Since we're talking about this in a definitional context you can just as easily argue that a drug cartel doesn't regulate the use of their drugs..
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