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OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by sunchild »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #2

Really don't agree with his assessment. I'm loving Lion - Pretty much all the little updates have improved my experience of OS X.

I agree. In particular:

1. Airdrop is great. 2. Full screen apps make me happy. (I only use one monitor, though.) 3. I love being able to group items by date last opened in multi-column view.

My biggest gripe: Why doesn't the finder automatically extend the width of the rightmost column to use up the remainder of the window? I'm always adjusting column widths to see long file names.

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by lallysingh »

tptacek wrote: post #57

First, I think that to be fair, if you're going to say someone is having a "Vista Moment", they have to have bet a significant chunk of the company on the OS. When iOS 7 blows up, talk about Apple's "Vista Moment". Second, I think there's an implication here that prior releases of OS X have been great. They have not been great. Snow Leopard was solid, because that was its only goal. Much of what Apple has attempted w…

Additionally, let's remember that lion's a $30 upgrade, which makes things sting quite a bit less.

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by terhechte »

jonpaul wrote: post #39
dgallagher wrote: post #31

When 10.5.0 Leopard came out an replaced 10.4.x Tiger, it was quite buggy until around 10.5.3. Aside from Snow Leopard which was a special case, new OS X releases are typically buggy for the first few months. Vista was a dog because it was slow, resource intensive, and Microsoft never issued any updates to fix it. The only thing I thought was a bad idea in Lion was Time Machine snapshotting your local HD every hour,…

Might I ask, how did you shut that off? I don't see any configuration option in the System Preferences - Time Machine about snapshotting every hour. Thanks.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3236857?start=0&tst...

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by tudorizer »

iscrewyou wrote: post #11

Been a windows guy since I found out what a computer is. Two days ago, I purchased a Macbook Air for school. This is one of the best things that has ever happened to me. I don't have a single problem that the author mentioned. He probably upgraded an old Mac to Lion and is having all these problems. I haven't had a single crash. Launchpad is a good thing to happen. There's no clutter when you are trying to look for a…

Please post again after 1-2 years.

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by tolmasky »

johnthedebs wrote: post #25
tseabrooks wrote: post #12

I'm pretty disappointed with Lion. Though, I don't see the problems this guy mentions... There are wireless problem on my iMac.. even after the update to fix the wifi problems... but I'm most disappointed with the complete "FU" Lion gives to multi-monitor support... using mission control is really really painful in a multi-monitor setup. Not to mention I don't actually get to use the new fullscreen apps because Apple…

why else would these blatant multi-monitor issues exist if not to intentionally hurt me? I'm using Lion with multiple monitors, too, and have been annoyed by this. But the company that sells https://www.apple.com/displays/ definitely didn't do this to intentionally hurt users with multiple monitors. My assumption is that, because of the dramatic changes to the desktop workflow in Lion, they needed to cut some feature…

I think some of the issues border on intentional. A particularly infuriating example is how DVD Player really did go BACKWARDS. There used to be an option in DVD Player's preferences for whether to black out the other screen when in fullscreen or to leave it usable. DVD Player was perfect before (I used to watch a movie on one monitor and code on the other). They actually went in and removed this. DVD Player now has the "new" behavior of 1) forcing me to full screen on the right hand screen regardless of where the DVD window was originally, and 2) Putting felt all over the other screen. Its incredibly annoying even when I DONT want to use the other screen, because I certainly don't want distracting full brightness felt on the other screen. I simply cannot understand this choice. Who went in and DELETED those lines of code?

I don't think we'll see any sanity return to this BTW. The very foundation of Full Screen is made in such a way to make it conceptually difficult to fix. All these problems stem from the decision that full screen should ALSO throw you into another new space, which makes it incompatible with the old workflows of having other apps running on the other screen.

It was such a silly decision (to support "swiping" I guess?) Full screen already existed before, all they should have done is update the iLife/iWork apps to support the old full screen and encouraged developers to do the same. Instead they over engineered this complex system of spaces (a feature that only PRO users are used to BTW) and broke old features. I really don't understand it.

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by commandar »

dadro wrote: post #54
commandar wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Vista (IMHO) had a rotten core Windows 7 would suggest you're dead wrong about this. W7 is largely Vista with some polish and a rebranding.

I'm not suggesting that at all. I think W7 is arguably the best OS Microsoft has released (except maybe for Win2k). At the time of Vista Microsoft was managing 2 seperate Kernels, one for consumers and one for servers. The 6000 build Vista was based off was (IMHO) a more bloated XP build. They made a great move by consolidating to their Server kernel. Windows 7 reflects this in its speed and stability.

Vista SP1 and Server 2008 shipped with the same kernel:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/hardware/gg463415

MS has also very explicitly said that the W7 kernel is built on top of what they did with Vista:

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2008/05/ms-no-new-kern...

W7 is nothing more than an evolution of what they did with Vista. Vista and W7 have far more in common with each other than either does with XP.

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