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YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by gambiting »

ThalesX wrote: post #67
pornel wrote: post #3

Why are you using legacy centralized web 2.0 platforms ruled by fiat money? Put your video on IPFS, give it an ens.domain, mint an NFT for it. With an eth filecoin bridge it will fund its own censorship-resistance forever. That tech is great and has obsoleted web 2.0. Don't trust Google, self-govern!

I'm not sure why people are calling this satire. If you want to host a video, make it available through a URI, protect your ownership rights and then make sure it gets hosted for as long as possible, this is a way to do it.

I'm a professional programmer and like....I understand some of those words? If I had to guess, I'd say this is a joke, purely because of how nonsensical it sounds. Host it on what? Pair it with ETH? Like...the cryptocurrency? How does that work? How does that make money?

Maybe I'm getting old. Scary world out there.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by wayoutthere »

bambax wrote: post #41

The problem is not the content of the video, crypto or not. The problem is not that YT moderates aggressively (it doesn't do enough IMHO) or even how it moderates. The problem is that there is no serious appeals process, and no third party oversight of moderation decisions. This is true for all the big platforms. How do we fix that, IDK, but probably at the government level.

Quite frankly, now that YouTube has built its media ecosystem, they have an incentive to marginalize the long tail. The big channels (or rather, their distribution companies) have dedicated account managers who can clear this kind of stuff up. Big channels are easier to manage from a platform perspective since there’s someone you can call to clear up any issues (who you already have a contractual relationship with), so you don’t need to trust an unaccountable algorithm.

If you’re not a YouTube partner? You’re collateral damage that is baked into the design and considered acceptable by YouTube. Your value as an independent content creator is very low to them. The effort required to moderate independent creators is significantly higher than it is to moderate managed partners on a per-view basis. It’s a lot of work for small dollar amounts.

This is a pretty common situation we’ve seen play out over the last century. When a new media paradigm is established, there’s a land rush. But once the initial land rush is over, the industry regulates itself and consolidates for efficiency. The new media landscape eventually becomes the very thing they displaced. Ever wonder why YouTube has as many ads as broadcast TV these days?

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by NavinF »

s_dev wrote: post #121
adamdonahue wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's an opportunity here. Put the video on both YouTube and a blockchain, make it easy to find on the latter via the YouTube URI, then when one discovers a non-working link you YouTube you can pivot to the blockchain-based backup. Once enough people know about this hack it then, with a browser plug-in, censorship be gone! This is obviously off-the-cuff, undetailed thinking here, but an approach like this might mak…

How does a YouTube 404 turn in to a working link? You don't control what You Tube displays on their 404.

Easy: Your extension looks at the HTTP status code and if it’s 404, query the distributed hash table for another copy of the video. Then replace the element on the page with a different one that plays bytes from your callback function (Media Source Extensions) just like WebTorrent.

(Note: There are alternatives to YouTube that already use WebTorrent to make videos harder to delete, but their content is incredibly hard to sort through. Instead of improving on YouTube by making filters optional, they just didn’t implement filters at all. So most of the videos in search results are scams or political)

Dead comment that I can’t vouch for asks:

>Why do you need Blockchain for this?

I’m not sure if you need blockchain. I’d avoid it if possible because it’s expensive and slow. But you might not have a choice if you need a censorship resistant distributed log.

>Why can't you just cross post on Rumble with the exact same title and make an extension which replaces 404d videos with the equivalently titled Rumble video?

I’ve never heard of Rumble, but many have built YouTube alternatives only to run out of funding and end up on this list: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Deathwatch#Dead_as_a_...

Hell even my team has built a shitty YouTube alternative during a 1-day hackathon. The videos are downloaded peer-to-peer with webrtc and my site has better clustering/search than most *tubes; but of course the site is dead today and all the videos are inaccessible: https://github.com/NavinF/NodeVid.com

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by you-liquidated »

reginold wrote: post #141
you-liquidated wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The saying goes that if you don't paid for it then you are the product. So true. This is why I switched from free Linux to paid Mac, and why I've started replacing open-source apps with commercial ones.

I don't think this saying applies to the situation you are in. Perhaps more apt is "you get what you pay for". For myself, I've switched to paying for Linux and open source software. I believe open source needs to be sustainable for consumers and expecting devs to work for free is insane.

Since I didn't pay for my previous Linux, it means that I didn't get much for it, right?

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by sofixa »

dandare wrote: post #65

> I am a paid Youtube Music subscriber The saying goes that if you don't paid for it then you are the product. So I subscribed to YouTube Music family plan, thinking I won't be the product. But my wife's account will always return an error saying that she is in a different country or something. I tried to reach the support for help but never got any reply. In the end I cancelled the subscription. Google is simply too…

None of Google's shared plans work cross-country - YouTube, Google Play, Stadia, Google One. All of them error, sometimes cryptically ( e.g. "Can't access payment methods"). It should be clearer what the issue is, with clear, concise error messages, but IMHO it's not a bug per se. Different country legislations, copyright, tax codes, prices, etc. etc. make that a complex matter and i see how they wouldn't want to deal with it.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by gonab »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #5
pornel wrote: post #3

Why are you using legacy centralized web 2.0 platforms ruled by fiat money? Put your video on IPFS, give it an ens.domain, mint an NFT for it. With an eth filecoin bridge it will fund its own censorship-resistance forever. That tech is great and has obsoleted web 2.0. Don't trust Google, self-govern!

I can't tell if this is satire.

Like any good satire, half truth.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by dncornholio »

querez wrote: post #116
dncornholio wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not foolproof, that's why I consider all those accounts expendable. I don't use them for anything important and I keep them spread. No phone numbers linked to any of the accounts. I'm sure Google can see a link between them, but I'm not too worried about that.

> No phone numbers linked to any of the accounts. Whenever I tried to create a Google account, it would ask me for a phone number sooner or later. Is that just me, or is there a way to circumvent that?

All accounts bug me to add a phone number every time I login but I can continue without doing so. These accounts are pretty old, 3 to 10+ years

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by toyg »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #5
pornel wrote: post #3

Why are you using legacy centralized web 2.0 platforms ruled by fiat money? Put your video on IPFS, give it an ens.domain, mint an NFT for it. With an eth filecoin bridge it will fund its own censorship-resistance forever. That tech is great and has obsoleted web 2.0. Don't trust Google, self-govern!

I can't tell if this is satire.

I would have taken it seriously before the "obsolete" bit gave it away as satire.

Which is sad, because some of that stuff indeed has potential and should be used more (IPFS), but it cannot happen unless people take it seriously.

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