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SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by primitivesuave »

ramraj07 wrote: post #75
primitivesuave wrote: post #70

I love that these small businesses are keeping more of their hard-earned money, but I don’t really think this will have any noticeable effect on their sales. As someone who exclusively purchases cannabis flower, I will only use the dispensaries when my trusted guy is out, and for only the smallest possible quantity until my guy is back up. A majority of dispensary customers are looking for cannabis-infused beverages,…

Could you elaborate further on why you’d stick to your guy?

First and foremost, we have become good friends over the years, so I enjoy the ceremony of entering his home to sit down and hang out before making a purchase. The quality has been consistently excellent over the years, even before legalization. I also sometimes get headaches from dispensary flower that I never get from this flower, which my guy attributes to the "organic" (i.e. no pesticide) grow that his source uses.

I will say that I discovered cannabis-infused beverages only a few months ago, and they are the most compelling alternative to flower for both me and everyone I've talked to.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by hypertele-Xii »

nefitty wrote: post #60
mandmandam wrote: post #52

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> nobody should consume cannabis daily. Only a sith etc.. You do know there are low THC strains available? And that there are people who self medicate with cannabis for scores of reasons? What exactly are you scared is going to happen to these people? An increased risk of bronchitis? Some people would consider that a great trade for reduction of chronic pain, nausea, or seizures.

Medical use notwithstanding, people who use cannabis on a daily basis will probably tend to produce and pursue bad ideas. I've been there when I was younger. That state of mind is like turning the temperature up on the generative function in the mind. Lots of exciting, weird shit reveals itself to your conscious perception. On the other hand, our brains probably evolved to favor adaptive ideation. If that system's fi…

> people who use cannabis on a daily basis will probably tend to produce and pursue bad ideas

I'm convinced people just produce and pursue bad ideas in general. That's why our society functions best by rewarding people with good ideas, and making damn sure everybody knows the core ones, from language to mathematics.

Every idea starts out bad, anyway. That's what design, engineering, and craft are for: Making ideas better until they're useful, beautiful, or good enough to experiment further with.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by OneTimePetes »

bryans wrote: post #64
aww_dang wrote: post #46

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If people can sell pies, vegetables, dairy and sometimes cider at informal farmers markets, cannabis should be the same. Moldy cannabis is self-apparent in most cases. Toxic distilled alcohol isn't. Some claim you can use a flame test to detect poisonous liquor.

Some states did initially allow co-op markets where farmers got to sell directly to consumers, and only needed to test large batches to meet requirements. The prices were very low because there were no extra middlemen to get taxed, and because each farmer was its own vendor, you could buy very large quantities in one location -- and I think the concept eventually got shut down for that reason.

The middle-man feared to be cut out and replaced by new humbler middle-man and lobbied for safety regulations to kill the emerging competition?

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by OneTimePetes »

namibj wrote: post #47
aww_dang wrote: post #46

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If people can sell pies, vegetables, dairy and sometimes cider at informal farmers markets, cannabis should be the same. Moldy cannabis is self-apparent in most cases. Toxic distilled alcohol isn't. Some claim you can use a flame test to detect poisonous liquor.

Well, a flame test is suitable (at least against liquor that isn't deliberately trying to kill you), but the naked eye isn't sophisticated enough to analyze the spectrum.

sodium dichromate ?

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by lillecarl »

Thorentis wrote: post #73
junon wrote: post #68

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> nobody should consume cannabis daily Based on... what? Your opinion? Your parents? Your god? Because it's certainly not based on fact.

Not based on fact? Which facts are those? Certainly not these ones I'm guessing? https://www.uq.edu.au/news/article/2021/01/long-term-study-r... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...

Worth noting that cannabis is illegal in Australia, so if anything it could point towards people willing to ignore the law are more likely to X and Y rather than the cannabis being the cause.

But I'm just playing devils advocate here, I doubt daily consumption of any stimulant is great in the long term, but cannabis is probably not worse than anything else really.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by bryans »

hypertele-Xii wrote: post #80
bryans wrote: post #65

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I smoke every day, but I've also come close to dying from it[0] on a number of occasions. There are definitely potential risks, but with that said, I completely agree with your points. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid_hyperemesis_syndro...

"This article needs more medical references for verification [...]"

There are dozens of studies and hundreds of articles from every reputable source imaginable. Feel free to Google something sometime instead of trollishly dismissing a legitimate medical condition that people have died from.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29768651/

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by dkdk8283 »

bryans wrote: post #24

In most recreational states, cannabis is taxed heavily at every step in the supply chain, so the highest quality still ends up being very expensive -- upward of $400/oz. The black market has the exact same quality at the wholesale price, typically 40-60% less than retail, with the added bonus of not having the government involved. For a daily or heavy smoker, a ~50% discount is a massive amount of money.

Great example that taxes and government involvement aren’t always positive.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by darthrupert »

junon wrote: post #68
darthrupert wrote: post #43

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50% is worth the diminshed crime, and nobody should consume cannabis daily.

> nobody should consume cannabis daily Based on... what? Your opinion? Your parents? Your god? Because it's certainly not based on fact.

It's not good for you when used so frequently. Once or twice a week is fine, perhaps even good for you due to relaxing and mood-enhancing effects. Every day is stretching it and risking a dependence.

But hey, I don't have to power to forbid you anything. I'm just saying how it is. You can just choose to ignore this and keep using every day.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by raxxorrax »

primitivesuave wrote: post #81
ramraj07 wrote: post #75

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Could you elaborate further on why you’d stick to your guy?

First and foremost, we have become good friends over the years, so I enjoy the ceremony of entering his home to sit down and hang out before making a purchase. The quality has been consistently excellent over the years, even before legalization. I also sometimes get headaches from dispensary flower that I never get from this flower, which my guy attributes to the "organic" (i.e. no pesticide) grow that his source use…

Could be the ingredients but headaches from weed are most often caused by chlorophyll which didn't break down yet. In case you get it, it might help to leave the weed in a jar for two weeks, it may still be too fresh. After that it should be broken down.

Not a smoker anymore, but I wish there would be "weed light". Weed today is so massively overbred that it contains massive amounts of THC or CBD or both. It would be nice to have some form of jazz cigarette that induces a subtle high instead of making you not want to move ever again and gets you close to a psychotic breakdown.

The stuff of today isn't comparable to what the hippies smoked in the 60s and I would say it can be quite dangerous. Also a lot of users get addicted to tobacco instead of the high of weed but will always smoke weed when they have the urge to smoke.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by boibombeiro »

aww_dang wrote: post #46
dumbfoundded wrote: post #39

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Additionally the taxes create operational overhead to stay compliant. Every product follows a chain of custody similar to pharmaceuticals. Even the scales used must be of the same spec used for gold weighing and cost roughly $1,500 each. It's not just the dispensaries but the wholesalers, processors, and cultivators need to buy these scales and register them once a year with the state for $100. Furthermore the batche…

If people can sell pies, vegetables, dairy and sometimes cider at informal farmers markets, cannabis should be the same. Moldy cannabis is self-apparent in most cases. Toxic distilled alcohol isn't. Some claim you can use a flame test to detect poisonous liquor.

> Toxic distilled alcohol isn't.

Do you realize this ideia of poison alcohol was propaganda done by the government during prohibition, right?

We know how to distill from millenniums, and selling poisonous alcohol isn't a very sustainable business model...

I remember reading an article about the success of this campaign (was one of the first of this kinda). I'm mobile, but I'm sure someone can find a post a link.

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