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Goodbye Brave

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Re: Goodbye Brave

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Brave on Android requires Google Play Services. So that's a big no for me.

On F-Droid there's a version of DuckDuckGo's browser available. Suits me.

I use Bromite, it's very good at ad blocking by default (no add-ons necessary) and it's not affiliated to anyone (AFAIK).

Re: Goodbye Brave

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I cannot understand why technically savvy people keep using spywares like Brave ( https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/brave.html ) or Chrome ( https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/chrome.html ) when we have better alternatives such as Vivaldi ( https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/vivaldi.html ) or Firefox ( https://spyware.neocities.org/guides/firefox.html )

Firefox is less secure, as has been said many times here already. You might dislike the Blink hegemony but they're the only ones who invest enough in security. Vivaldi's closed source, and Firefox doesn't have site isolation on all platforms yet. (Neither does Safari). Chrome had it in 2018. 3 years is not excusable when a 0day can be the difference between freedom and jail (or worse). "Privacy" is defective when you…

Only the UI layer of Vivaldi is closed source I think

Re: Goodbye Brave

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was a surprise to me, but there is a group of people - possibly native to tech circles, possibly a broader group - who appear to be genuinely angry about the existence of advertising as a thing. Let alone if they personally have to view ads. It is a bit confusing to be honest. There seems to be something very upsetting happening but exactly what is causing that response I can't pick out.

I don't want ads on my web pages and TV in the same way I don't want ads in my novels, on my bedroom ceiling, in my bathroom, in my car, in my mail, the same way I don't want to be proselytised to, recieve junk mail, spam, view propoganda, etc. once you understand not desiring one, you can understand not wanting the rest, since they're all fundamentally the same thing.

The thing is: you paid for your bedroom ceiling, your bathroom and your car. You also paid for your computer & screen, but you did not pay for the content you're watching on it.

I am entirely with you on not wishing any ads at all, anywhere. I just think that it's not realistic to remove ads entirely on the open web today.

This should not be an excuse for the way ads are being run today. It is fundamentally broken. Incentives and attributions should be changed.

Re: Goodbye Brave

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For me brave mobile was the only usable browser on android because it has a bottom tab bar. I don’t know why chrome itself ditched it, does nobody at Google have a >6 inch phone? Then I discovered edge on android and it is really good (if you can live with the fact that it is from Microsoft). Now I switched to iOS and safari has bottom navigation by default.

Kiwi Browser has bottom tab bar I think and it has extensions unlike any other Chromium Android browser (let's ignore their useless implementation in Yandex and some other hacky ungoogled browser)

Re: Goodbye Brave

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a consumer you should ask yourself: do the ads provide any benefit to me? And if there is none, you should just block the them. Sure it's nothing new that companies try to show you ads. But in the same spirit I always turned down volume or switched channel on TV when ads were on. This was in the past. These days I don't even bother watching channels with ads. I personally would not be sad if the whole ad industry…

There’s no free lunch, the ads provide you with the ability to see things on the internet for free.

I think FLOSS people ought to disagree with you.

Also, this very site has no ads. Neither does wikipedia. Nor librivox, or Project Gutemberg...

Re: Goodbye Brave

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This article seems to spawn many threads on online advertising, but the initial comment from the author seems to be more around a system/architecture issue (i.e. why should a browser require backend servers). I am writing this comment here to see what people think about this question specifically.

Re: Goodbye Brave

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post #74

Brave is the only browser on my iPad that blocks majority of ads. I have went as far as try to pay for ad blockers in the app store (this is my first and last apple device so it is a weird concept for me). If I could just install unblock origin or find system wide adblocker then I would use that instead

Does iPad have something similar to DNS66?

You could try the VPN workaround to set up a DNS level blocker, I'm pretty sure it works with NextDNS' app.

Re: Goodbye Brave

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You can host extension on your own server. Fireox will display a security warning when you try to install them, but that is it.

It doesn't, depending on your definition. You get them to sign it (given the speed - 5-10 minutes for a medium sized extension - it seems automated) and then when they click to download the signed xpi file it prompts them to install, saying "[domain] would like to install [extension name]." This is the same prompt you get in the official Mozilla addons site.

You can turn them off basically except their "rapid release" releases - and even then, you can get unbranded Mozilla-compiled builds that can unlock the functionality (on desktop).

Google has something to do why the Android Firefox is crippled: before Firefox 68 was released, the Google reviewers actually rejected it owing to the addons system. (Yes, I know Kiwi browser exists. I don't understand the reviewers' logic but here we are.) Fortunately, FF 68 is an ESR release and was able to stop-gap the issue by releasing security updates (which aren't blocked by Google). Unfortunately, this is the reason Mozilla is only shipping "recommended addons": Mozilla has individually reviewed it because Google will penalise Mozilla if there's a malicious addon on their store. (Note that I won't shield Mozilla on the "Daylight" updates: I hope that they just continue Fennec rather than they rewrite it but personally it's fine.)

Re: Goodbye Brave

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was a surprise to me, but there is a group of people - possibly native to tech circles, possibly a broader group - who appear to be genuinely angry about the existence of advertising as a thing. Let alone if they personally have to view ads. It is a bit confusing to be honest. There seems to be something very upsetting happening but exactly what is causing that response I can't pick out.

Yea this confuses me too. Many advertisements have made me aware of things that I would be interested in but didn't know about. Marketing and advertising can be valuable to those on the receiving end.

Online ads benefit the little guy. Nike and others can afford billboard and TV ads. If you've ever tried starting up a small Shopify business, online ads are all you're going to get.

The problems are the power Facebook and Google have over the ad market, that increases ad costs for businesses by a lot (I've read, one third, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's more). But online ads are a lifeline for small businesses. Regulate the big players, and keep the ads flowing. Some people here want ads to be abolished, but you'd just strengthen existing brands, i.e. huge multinationals. That's all it would achieve.

That's why real issue with Brave, frankly. I still use Brave as my default browser because it's the only one that allows me to allow all ads by default, and only turn on Brave Shields for specific websites. Even uBlock Origin deprecated their default-allow, and it now breaks many websites completely if you try it. But I don't like "anti-ad" sentiment.

Sad state of affairs. But people who oppose Big Tech domination, and also want ads abolished, don't realize that doing so would prevent millions of small businesses from getting off the ground. Chrome's killing the open web, but might be saving the "open economy" by trying to disincentivize adblocking (by blocking "annoying ads" by default, and implementing ManifestV3). It's a mess.

Re: Goodbye Brave

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Everyone wants to talk the respective merits of Brave vs Firefox vs ____, but I just want to talk about how the post itself is dumb. You're installing an extension from a web store. Of course it doesn't work if there is a problem with the backend servers. Where do you expect to get the extension from?

installation doesn't work because of Brave servers, not because of extensions web store, completely unrelated, or at least it should be unrelated in normal browser

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