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SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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This comment feels like art. Either it’s a troll that’s not that good, or it’s a genuine comment so far off in lala land that it’s a privilege to read.

Nothing about that comment seems THAT unusual. Honestly, I'm spending more time sitting here trying to understand where you're coming from than I am with them. What elements of their comment struck you as trolling?

I guess some new Californians don't know much about what happened there about 45 years ago.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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In most recreational states, cannabis is taxed heavily at every step in the supply chain, so the highest quality still ends up being very expensive -- upward of $400/oz. The black market has the exact same quality at the wholesale price, typically 40-60% less than retail, with the added bonus of not having the government involved. For a daily or heavy smoker, a ~50% discount is a massive amount of money.

50% is worth the diminshed crime, and nobody should consume cannabis daily.

> nobody should consume cannabis daily.

Only a sith etc..

You do know there are low THC strains available? And that there are people who self medicate with cannabis for scores of reasons?

What exactly are you scared is going to happen to these people? An increased risk of bronchitis? Some people would consider that a great trade for reduction of chronic pain, nausea, or seizures.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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This is something pot activists have complained about from the get-go. Legalization was sold to politicians with the promise of high taxes. We knew that poor users would be priced out of the market, that legal weed would be a privilege enjoyed by the rich, that dealers with criminal records would be shut out of the legal market.

> Legalization was sold to politicians with the promise of high taxes. We knew that poor users would be priced out of the market, that legal weed would be a privilege enjoyed by the rich Poor users seem to enjoy a lot of legal alcohol. Taxes on that are high too, and it's even easier to make your own alcohol than to make your own weed.

Liquor licenses and marijuana licences are very different in availability and, due to how the products are consumed (alcohol being very central to social gatherings), the necessity of having a license is more important for alcohol.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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It certainly reduces gang violence and fake or tainted drugs.

How common is fake pot, though? I mean, surely young folks try to do stupid things to other young and stupid people (fake and tainted drugs). Occasionally folks don't get the quality they expect. But all this stuff means you lose customers and you continually need new folks to dupe. "fake or tainted drugs" has always seemed like a bigger problem with different categories of drugs. Additionally, I'm not convinced it a…

I think k2 shows up occasionally.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is something pot activists have complained about from the get-go. Legalization was sold to politicians with the promise of high taxes. We knew that poor users would be priced out of the market, that legal weed would be a privilege enjoyed by the rich, that dealers with criminal records would be shut out of the legal market.

> Legalization was sold to politicians with the promise of high taxes. We knew that poor users would be priced out of the market, that legal weed would be a privilege enjoyed by the rich Poor users seem to enjoy a lot of legal alcohol. Taxes on that are high too, and it's even easier to make your own alcohol than to make your own weed.

> it's even easier to make your own alcohol than to make your own weed.

It sure as fuck isn't. There are parts of the world where putting some free seeds in the ground is sufficient.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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This comment feels like art. Either it’s a troll that’s not that good, or it’s a genuine comment so far off in lala land that it’s a privilege to read.

Nothing about that comment seems THAT unusual. Honestly, I'm spending more time sitting here trying to understand where you're coming from than I am with them. What elements of their comment struck you as trolling?

The bits about "you dont understand unless you connect with the culture" and "its all love" read to me like stereotypes straight from the 60's.

That kind of thing is an extreme minority in most places- weed culture is no less mercantile than any other. The la la stuff exists, to be sure, but so does my neighbor offering to share veggies from their garden. Either way, I don't think it's got much bearing on the illegal drug trade, or the crippled legal trade as the volume is just two completely different scales.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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It certainly reduces gang violence and fake or tainted drugs.

How common is fake pot, though? I mean, surely young folks try to do stupid things to other young and stupid people (fake and tainted drugs). Occasionally folks don't get the quality they expect. But all this stuff means you lose customers and you continually need new folks to dupe. "fake or tainted drugs" has always seemed like a bigger problem with different categories of drugs. Additionally, I'm not convinced it a…

Nope, fake and tainted weed is a very real problem when it's illegal.

I've seen cannabis with plaster mixed in; glass beads, added ketamine, synthetic fibres; anything cheap to increase the perceived effect and weight. And all of those are safer than legal synthetic 'weed'.

The THC to CBD ratio is completely impossible to control when in prohibition areas. Dealers select for maximum THC to minimize weight to effect ratio, which is the opposite of what you want if you're trying to protect people from any possible psychosis trigger.

People who are self medicating with cannabis in illegal countries have very little control over these factors. If they try to grow their own they can get prosecuted as suppliers and face higher sentences than rapists.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Right, 1%-5%. But I don't think I'd care to deal with illegal product and any possible (even if unlikely) headaches around it just to save $1-$5 for every $100 spent. Seems kinda foolish. But yeah, I suppose if you're also picking up some illegal stuff, makes sense to make it a one-stop shopping trip.

People buying from dealers aren't considering the illegality in the choice at all, though. They're a choice between continuing to buy from someone they know vs entering a storefront that is going to make them provide a bunch of PII on the first visit, which also costs more.

For me the price was worth it to make "the person I know" become a "person I no longer knew".

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Wait I was told that when it was legalized there would be no more underground drug market. Seems things aren't as simple as they seem on the surface.

It’s pretty clear that any argument of that form comes with the obvious caveat that excessive taxes or fees for the legal product wouldn’t cause the underground market to disappear. Obviously if it was “legalized” but there was a $1,000 per ounce tax, we would expect the illegal market to continue to thrive.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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50% is worth the diminshed crime, and nobody should consume cannabis daily.

> nobody should consume cannabis daily. Only a sith etc.. You do know there are low THC strains available? And that there are people who self medicate with cannabis for scores of reasons? What exactly are you scared is going to happen to these people? An increased risk of bronchitis? Some people would consider that a great trade for reduction of chronic pain, nausea, or seizures.

Medical use notwithstanding, people who use cannabis on a daily basis will probably tend to produce and pursue bad ideas. I've been there when I was younger.

That state of mind is like turning the temperature up on the generative function in the mind. Lots of exciting, weird shit reveals itself to your conscious perception. On the other hand, our brains probably evolved to favor adaptive ideation. If that system's filters are always tweaked or turned off, then eventually the ideation will be misaligned with the "sober" environment.

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